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davemaxwell
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 Posted - 22 July 2002 : 10:38:54
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Did not understand "you might be very disappointed". Is that because it will be difficult? If so, why would 3.4 be more difficult than previous versions? Please enlighten me about what you meant.
My plan is to use available MODs as I am not an ASP guru by any means. However some authors may choose not to update their MODs for one reason or another. But I want to start planning now so I can get the forum up and running asap. I've been waiting for 3.4 because of the significant advantages over 3.3.05 PLUS all of the MODs.
Probably because the Mods will not work right out of the box because of file name changes (inc_top.asp to inc_header.asp, inc_top_short.asp to inc_header_short.asp), function deletions/additions/updates, the splitting of inc_function.asp into several separate files.
We can hope that people will go back through their mods and make the appropriate changes, but their are more "standards" that need followed to ensure security is handled properly and there is no guarantee that everything will be up to snuff right away.
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Gato
New Member
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 11:57:18
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Just a question: The principal change that willencourage us to use this is which one, since it will take months and months, because in some cases (like mine) I will have to install the tons fo mods and will have to translate everything again (reason I think this new should be in the language base file), and don'tforget the little additions we make or change without speciffying. I am not criticizing anything but I would just want to know the best and the relevant changes that will improve my forum.
And will it be possible to just use the new features incorporating to the old one??
Thanks and sorry if I didn't make myself clear...
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 12:14:21
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Just a question: The principal change that willencourage us to use this is which one, since it will take months and months, because in some cases (like mine) I will have to install the tons fo mods and will have to translate everything again (reason I think this new should be in the language base file), and don'tforget the little additions we make or change without speciffying. I am not criticizing anything but I would just want to know the best and the relevant changes that will improve my forum.
And will it be possible to just use the new features incorporating to the old one??
Thanks and sorry if I didn't make myself clear...
Edited by - Gato on 22 July 2002 12:00:37
For one there are many new features that were not available before. I particularly like Quick Reply and the direct link to the last post, they are very useful for the day to day handling of the forum. You can see a reference to many other features at the link in Davio's signature.
Besides the new features, I think the major improvement brought by 3.4 is performance, associated with a reduced number od database calls. This is specially important in busy foruns.
As I wrote at Crash's site, it won't be possible to retain what you have now and integrate just the improvements from the new version. Regarding the translation issues, I expect a v.4.0Beta4 after 3.4' release, and that should ease the translation burden. Of course, if you're using Crash's version, you won't be able to use anything from this, without switching versions. Of course, I think Crash will upgrade his code as well, so you may want to wait for him.
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Cliff
Average Member
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 12:20:24
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Will we be able to use the same database we currently have and just update the site files? I am going to implement this as a new option for our Intranet soon and don't want people to register today and then register again tomorrow when I install the new forum.
Thanks.
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 12:38:03
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Will we be able to use the same database we currently have and just update the site files? I am going to implement this as a new option for our Intranet soon and don't want people to register today and then register again tomorrow when I install the new forum.
The database will be upgraded without losing data, as has been in the past. The setup will take care of that.
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VodkaFish
Average Member
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 12:59:56
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Probably because the Mods will not work right out of the box because of file name changes (inc_top.asp to inc_header.asp, inc_bottom.asp to inc_footer.asp), function deletions/additions/updates, the splitting of inc_function.asp into several separate files.
We can hope that people will go back through their mods and make the appropriate changes, but their are more "standards" that need followed to ensure security is handled properly and there is no guarantee that everything will be up to snuff right away.
Ahh...thank you. This will lead me well. I have mods like the Links Manager that I know will still "work", but I just have to tweak them a bit. My concern is that some mods like this will use a function, but it might not work the same. Is that possible? (because if it's not, that makes things very simple).
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Gato
New Member
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 13:21:00
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Thanks ruirib..
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davemaxwell
Access 2000 Support Moderator
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 13:55:57
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Ahh...thank you. This will lead me well. I have mods like the Links Manager that I know will still "work", but I just have to tweak them a bit. My concern is that some mods like this will use a function, but it might not work the same. Is that possible? (because if it's not, that makes things very simple).
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If anything, some functions may have gone away. Or they may be in a different inc_function (there are seven where there used to be one...) and you'll need to include that new function file.
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@tomic
Senior Member
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 14:23:53
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If anything, some functions may have gone away. Or they may be in a different inc_function (there are seven where there used to be one...) and you'll need to include that new function file.
I understand that splitting up inc_functions.asp is a good thing but 3.4 sounds more like a new version than just an update and I have a feeling MODs might take a little longer. I am wondering how changes to database queries will effect MODs since many of them rely on the base code queries.
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davemaxwell
Access 2000 Support Moderator
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 14:35:38
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If they are using recordset fields, they will need changed to use the local variables instead. That's probably setback number one.
Other than that, the database structure has not changed (a few fields MIGHT have been added, not 100% sure) so any existing queries SHOULD work, but should be re-done to match up with the new coding standards.
Hope this helps.
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@tomic
Senior Member
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 15:32:31
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If they are using recordset fields, they will need changed to use the local variables instead.
Ouch. That's going to effect a lot of MODs I should think.
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HuwR
Forum Admin
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 16:07:58
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If they are using recordset fields, they will need changed to use the local variables instead. That's probably setback number one.
Set back 2 wold be changing any occurrences for chkUser functions and 3 would be the new chkDate function changes
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snaayk
Senior Member
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 17:22:41
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Is anybody going to be kind enough and tell us what functions are where  Or what the new functions MOD writers should use are Hopefully one of the DEV team has a list of some sort to help out the MOD writers and rewriters ??
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Aaron S.
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HuwR
Forum Admin
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Posted - 22 July 2002 : 18:23:51
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Will the upgrade wipe out MOD'ed database fields?
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No, all your MOD db fields will remain the same, it is just the code that will neeed changing, and the insertion points for the code will most likely have changed. It is not difficult, you will just need to spend a little more time to make sure youv'e got it in the right place.
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