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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator

Denmark
2632 Posts

Posted - 18 October 2005 :  16:54:51  Show Profile
Well, I recently got a license to the latest version of vBulletin, and I must say itīs great. There are tons of features than even my heavily modded Snitz forum canīt match, some very useful tools, even moving posts to one topic to another is a breeze, just select the topic to move, and paste the link to the topic you want it, thatīs it. Performance is great too, my topic with over 15.000 replies loads in less than 1 second, where it was 4-5 seconds using Snitz, and this one the same server!

In any case, I hope this post is not inappropiate, I still love Snitz and use it in several other forums.

AnonJr
Moderator

United States
5768 Posts

Posted - 18 October 2005 :  17:08:09  Show Profile  Visit AnonJr's Homepage
I don't see how it would be inappropriate... despite what Microsoft says, a little compatition is good.

I liked it too... I just didn't like the licence. There are so many things that go into picking a forum that I don't get a lot of this package x is better than y.... it depends on needs/situation/etc.

Will I ever use another package? Depends on my needs. Though, I gotta admit the "free" part is a strong motivator for a cash-strapped programmer!
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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator

Denmark
2632 Posts

Posted - 18 October 2005 :  17:17:34  Show Profile
Well, in this case, I got the members to pay for it.
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SiSL
Average Member

Turkey
671 Posts

Posted - 18 October 2005 :  21:21:25  Show Profile  Visit SiSL's Homepage
Point is, one of them is ole ASP, other is PHP. If Snitz was in ASPX at this moment (hence wont be 'mod'able much) it would be hella faster than anything.

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sr_erick
Senior Member

USA
1318 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  01:18:52  Show Profile  Visit sr_erick's Homepage  Send sr_erick a Yahoo! Message
I did a lot of research on vBulletin vs. Invision Power Board (both PHP applications). I chose Invision Power Board because you can run it on MSSQL. I am VERY pleased with the features IPB provides. The support is great too. It's also very fast although I do not have the board into production yet. I've managed to extend the template system to incorporate all the custom pages and features I needed for the rest of the site. I also must say, the template system is very nice. Both are very nice forum packages with TONS of features. Heh..I even have an IPB skin that mimics the look and feel of vBulletin almost exactly.

As for being "cash strapped", isn't everyone? I could care less actually. Building websites is the cheapest hobby I have by quite a large margin. If I spend a couple hundred dollars on quality software that has everything I can and save myself an unimaginable amount of time trying to add all those things...it is worth it to me. Although it is fun to add features, after a while it becomes repetitive, time consuming, and annoying.

Still love my main snitz install though...but I do have a ton of time into it. I just need to broaden my horizon a bit.




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Edited by - sr_erick on 19 October 2005 01:22:48
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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20600 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  03:32:41  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by SiSL

If Snitz was in ASPX at this moment (hence wont be 'mod'able much) it would be hella faster than anything.


That is not necesarily the case at all, being in aspx forum does not automatically mean it would be faster, if we wrote Snitz purely to run with the latest asp and only use one kind of db it would also be faster than it is now, but would not be Snitz. I have to say, page generation times of less than 0.1 secs wouldn't actually make the forum any faster because your network connection is the backlog at that point not the server.
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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator

Denmark
2632 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  03:38:18  Show Profile
Yeah, the template system in vBulletin is great too, I made tons of changes already, and never touched the main PHP files, the CSS editor is sweet too. I too decided between vBulletin and Invision Board, but finally made my decision, since I prefer the vBulletin interface, both are good though, so itīs a matter of taste really.
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AnonJr
Moderator

United States
5768 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  06:18:39  Show Profile  Visit AnonJr's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by sr_erick

As for being "cash strapped", isn't everyone?


In the sense that we aren't listed near the names of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or [name of rich person here] - yes.

On the other hand, I've had projects with a budget of US$0.00... so 'free' becomes more weighted in the decision.

As to the speed, I think when the code gets updated (hint) things will be just a little different.
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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20600 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  06:42:06  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
quote:
As to the speed, I think when the code gets updated (hint) things will be just a little different.
Don't be too disappointed if it isn't, internationalising the code has meant a lot of extra overhead. The only foolproof way of increasing performance is choosing a better server to host it on.
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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator

Denmark
2632 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  13:24:48  Show Profile
Yeah, we know about that, donīt we HuwR - a good server means everything.
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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20600 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  13:45:07  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by wii

Yeah, we know about that, donīt we HuwR - a good server means everything.

we sure do.

I will admit that of all the php boards I am a member of I prefer vbulletin to the others
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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator

Denmark
2632 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  15:21:42  Show Profile
I agree Huw, for those who want to see the admin section, go here: http://www.vbulletin.com/admindemo.php
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Roger Fredriksson
Average Member

Sweden
556 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  15:49:29  Show Profile  Visit Roger Fredriksson's Homepage
Did I jump on the wrong train, or what? Are there no advantages with ASP compared to php (people helping people?)?

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AnonJr
Moderator

United States
5768 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  16:08:46  Show Profile  Visit AnonJr's Homepage
IMHO, like a lot of things - it depends. In my situation I'm working on an MS webserver, on an MS operating system, with an MS browser, and MS clients, and trying to tie into an MS security architecture, and an MS database - it only makse sense to use an MS programming language. They were designed to 'play nice'.

When in Redmond ...

However, on the old site I did for the swimteam (a looooong time ago I was working with Apachie on a Unix server - so I used Perl. PHP would have worked well there too, but I knew Perl.

It just depends on the server etc. that you are working with.
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OneWayMule
Dev. Team Member & Support Moderator

Austria
4969 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  16:11:50  Show Profile  Visit OneWayMule's Homepage  Send OneWayMule an ICQ Message
I personally don't like vBulletin that much, I prefer phpBB and miniBB when it comes to PHP forum software.


My MODs:
Birthdays - Custom Policy - F.A.Q. Administration - Forum Rules - Guestbook
Links Manager - MyOwnGoogle - Profile Views - Search Log - WebSearch

Useful stuff:
Forum and MOD Installation - MOD Installation Guide - Snitz v3.4.05 Readme - Free ASP Hosts - Support Snitz
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SiSL
Average Member

Turkey
671 Posts

Posted - 19 October 2005 :  16:13:39  Show Profile  Visit SiSL's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Roger Fredriksson

Did I jump on the wrong train, or what? Are there no advantages with ASP compared to php (people helping people?)?



I don't actually see much difference. People chose PHP for few reasons.

1. Building up a server almost costs nothing
2. Cheaper hosting
3. Non-GUI servers having it parsing a bit faster
4. It's FREE!

Well, thinking most ASP products (even some non-quality ones) were not free, people tends to go for PHP.

In the end, I still would not choose a Linux server over a Windows Server if I have "money"

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Edited by - SiSL on 19 October 2005 16:14:58
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