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GauravBhabu
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 Posted - 27 March 2003 : 18:28:26
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Originally posted by reinsnitz
News Flash: 26 BILLION people did not protest the war today.
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Reinsnitz
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 18:32:12
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Nathan
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 18:37:33
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I don't know why they would, but you can look at the video youself.
What I'm saying is, if they cant athentic video clips to compile their little movie then can anything else they say can be trusted?
And you are the only one that noticed this? Does Fox, ABC, CBS or CNN their rivals know this? I would know one helicopter from another, but why would they put their credibility at stake to show a clip of a helicopter? Sorry, but your credibility went out the window on this one, unless proven otherwise.
The best example in the video is at 1:35, its a VERY clear shot of a BlackHawk (or Sea Hawk) helicopter. It very distingushable from the chinook because its a single rotor. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 18:55:22
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Originally posted by Nathan
The best example in the video is at 1:35, its a VERY clear shot of a BlackHawk (or Sea Hawk) helicopter. It very distingushable from the chinook because its a single rotor.
Isn't the Blackhawk used for search and rescue? It was a downed helicopter. At best maybe poorly edited. |
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Nathan
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 19:31:52
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Blackhawk are used for Medical, Transport, Assault and Search and Rescue. However, the dialog at that point in the video is talking about the Chinooks landing, so it is still misleading and false.
Poorly edited is no excuse for false information.
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RichardKinser
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 19:33:22
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Originally posted by tania
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So how can you tell some of the scenes are fake in the video clip. My download spped is slow - so its choppy when i view it.
Tania
The models of helicopter shown in the video are not consistant with thier story. Their story is about "4 Vietnam era Chinook twin-rotor helicopters" yet the video shows some very nice footage of some post-vietnam era single rotor Black-Hawks helicopters in some shots.
there was one very brief scene that showed a BlackHawk landing, that was it. Who's to say that footage wasn't taken after the sandstorms subsided and they were ready to get back underway? Seems to me you are reaching... |
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Heynow
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 19:42:37
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Originally posted by Nathan
Blackhawk are used for Medical, Transport, Assault and Search and Rescue. However, the dialog at that point in the video is talking about the Chinooks landing, so it is still misleading and false.
Poorly edited is no excuse for false information.
It also showed tanks, but did not mention them.
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Originally posted by Nathan
About the American media.
I found this story on msnbc, a fairytale style adventure . . .
This is a poor example in your claim about American media. |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 21:07:46
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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Originally posted by Nathan
Blackhawk are used for Medical, Transport, Assault and Search and Rescue. However, the dialog at that point in the video is talking about the Chinooks landing, so it is still misleading and false.
Poorly edited is no excuse for false information.
It also showed tanks, but did not mention them.
Excuse me for jumping in. Nathan's concern is about the legitmacy of the tape (visuals) and he wrote...
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The best example in the video is at 1:35, its a VERY clear shot of a BlackHawk (or Sea Hawk) helicopter. It very distingushable from the chinook because its a single rotor.
My interset in the discussion about this video clip within this topic is only to the extent of knowing if the visulas in the video clip are as observed by Nathan and about the accuracy of information. I would not be able to enlighten any side, so please do not feel ignored if I do not reply to the posts about this video clip.
P.S. I am very much interested in knowing if the others agree with the observation Nathan made... |
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Heynow
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 21:15:15
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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Originally posted by Nathan
Blackhawk are used for Medical, Transport, Assault and Search and Rescue. However, the dialog at that point in the video is talking about the Chinooks landing, so it is still misleading and false.
Poorly edited is no excuse for false information.
It also showed tanks, but did not mention them.
Excuse me for jumping in. Nathan's concern is about the legitmacy of the tape (visuals) and he wrote...
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The best example in the video is at 1:35, its a VERY clear shot of a BlackHawk (or Sea Hawk) helicopter. It very distingushable from the chinook because its a single rotor.
My interset in the discussion about this video clip within this topic is only to the extent of knowing if the visulas in the video clip are as observed by Nathan and about the accuracy of information. I would not be able to enlighten any side, so please do not feel ignored if I do not reply to the posts about this video clip.
P.S. I am very much interested in knowing if the others agree with the observation Nathan made...
Ok, sounds a little desperate though... |
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seahorse
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 21:23:11
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Is Iraq worth $75 billion dollars? This is about saving American lives from a real threat in this region. Not money.
Saddam Hussein understands far better than any other dictator, the power of the US Armed Forces. He understands how poorly his military performed in the first Gulf War. The idea that he would attack US interests in the region with WMD was highly unlikely. I will acknowledge that the Iraqi military did actively attempt to shoot down Coalition aircraft patroling the Iraqi no-fly zones. Of course, now that we've invaded, I would judge the likelihood of the Iraqis using WMD as quite high, possibly even certain.
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Is it about Iraqi freedom? No, but liberating Iraq is an incentive.
Then we agree. The war is not about Iraqi freedom. How much of an extra incentive Iraqi freedom represents is debatable.
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The western media has widely reported that a pair of Pakistan's preiminent nuclear scientists have MET with Osama Bin Laden. we should be invading Pakistan. Wrong, but we should be looking for these two scientists.
Sorry, I think you have misinterpreted my sarcasm. My originial statement was, "<sarcasm>If proliferation of WMD is the issue, we should be invading Pakistan.</sarcasm>
The sarcasm was intended to highlight the fact that Iraq is not the sole source for the proliferation of WMD. Other countries represent, just as if not more serious sources of concern.
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Israel is widely acknowledged to have nuclear weapons and I don't see Bush putting pressure on our Israeli friends to give them up? That is debatable and could probably start another thread.
Non-proliferation of WMD refers to all countries. Selective enforcement of non-proliferation against countries unfriendly to the US, makes the US appear hypocirtical and biased. The fact is that the US should be pursing the non-proliferation issue with Israel, Pakistan, India, Iran, and North Korea with equal determination. Most of these countries are lightyears head of Iraq in posessing WMD.
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I conceed that Hussein is a dictator who persecutes the Iraqi people. I agree that Hussein has not cooperated with the UN and is probably developing WMD. There's a short fat dictator in North Korea doing the same thing and the tone from the Bush administration is decidedly different. At this time, Hussein is more of a threat.
There are South Koreans within field artillery range of from North Korea who would strongly argue differently. Frankly, I would argue differently as well. Prior to the troop build up and invasion of Iraq, the coalition was regularly overflying large portions of Iraq. Considering Iraq's unwillingness to cooperate fully with the UN inspectors, I think the UN security council (France, Germany, Russia, and China included) would have happily authorized US overflights of ALL of Iraq if it meant a meaningful delay to the war.
We knew more about what was going on then in Iraq than we do about what's going on in North Korea now. North Korea has openly acknowledged that it IS enriching uranium as part of a nuclear weapons development program. |
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seahorse
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 21:26:28
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Originally posted by reinsnitz
News Flash: 26 BILLION people did not protest the war today.
I think that would mean about 20 billion people were born yeasterday.  |
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Heynow
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 21:41:07
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Originally posted by seahorse
Saddam Hussein understands far better than any other dictator, the power of the US Armed Forces. He understands how poorly his military performed in the first Gulf War. The idea that he would attack US interests in the region with WMD was highly unlikely. I will acknowledge that the Iraqi military did actively attempt to shoot down Coalition aircraft patroling the Iraqi no-fly zones. Of course, now that we've invaded, I would judge the likelihood of the Iraqis using WMD as quite high, possibly even certain.
The threat is Saddam supplying terrorists with WMD.
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Non-proliferation of WMD refers to all countries. Selective enforcement of non-proliferation against countries unfriendly to the US, makes the US appear hypocirtical and biased. The fact is that the US should be pursing the non-proliferation issue with Israel, Pakistan, India, Iran, and North Korea with equal determination. Most of these countries are lightyears head of Iraq in posessing WMD.
Light-years? How do you know? Look at Saddams record verses the other leaders. |
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seven
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 22:14:56
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"Brevity is the soul of wit."
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 22:16:56
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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Originally posted by Nathan
Blackhawk are used for Medical, Transport, Assault and Search and Rescue. However, the dialog at that point in the video is talking about the Chinooks landing, so it is still misleading and false.
Poorly edited is no excuse for false information.
It also showed tanks, but did not mention them.
Excuse me for jumping in. Nathan's concern is about the legitmacy of the tape (visuals) and he wrote...
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The best example in the video is at 1:35, its a VERY clear shot of a BlackHawk (or Sea Hawk) helicopter. It very distingushable from the chinook because its a single rotor.
My interset in the discussion about this video clip within this topic is only to the extent of knowing if the visulas in the video clip are as observed by Nathan and about the accuracy of information. I would not be able to enlighten any side, so please do not feel ignored if I do not reply to the posts about this video clip.
P.S. I am very much interested in knowing if the others agree with the observation Nathan made...
Ok, sounds a little desperate though...
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RichardKinser
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Posted - 27 March 2003 : 22:23:49
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| No, I don't agree with Nathan's observation. There was obviously more to the story than what was reported, not stuff they were hiding, just not relevant to the story they wanted to tell. They just chose to focus on the 4 Chinook helicopters. |
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