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TestMagic
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 Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:19:10
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Originally posted by Dynamix
To show that US-TV is not really free, I will digitze the next reports which are coming up and which will officially not be shown in US TV. After this Iīll put them into WWW and post the link over all newsgroups and Filesharing-Tools. That would be that way how US propaganda wonīt work. Some TV stations in Germany are telling now that some pictures where shown in the US and the public opinion is beginning to change. This mad president will get under pressure and thatīs the only way to stop this crazy war for oil.
First, I cannot speak for every American, only for myself.
I do not wish to see images of any suffering beyond a certain level (which I myself will determine). I cringed when I watched the airplanes fly into the WTC buildings, and watched only two or three times. After that, I did not want to see it anymore. I cringe when I see pictures of anybody bound, tied, jailed, or whatever, whatever nationality they are. People sometimes send me emails with photos of the victims of various attacks by different groups around the world, usually relating to land disputes. I don't like these images, and I would not like to see them in the media.
Censorship, in its literal sense, must by definition occur in any civilization. The level and nature of censorship should be determined by each society, i.e., should be self-imposed. Finally I feel fairly comfortable in saying most or all of the democratic societies I have visited or lived in have an acceptable or tolerable level of censorship, and that this is truly only a minor issue in this whole controversy. |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:22:06
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The truth is the war has only three reasons:
1. Oil
2. The weapon industry ("Drop the old bombs on bagdad and buy new ones!")
3. Geroge Bush as like every son wants to make it better than his father.
And german TV reports, that the TV networks hasnīt a choose! They where adviced by government.
And also I canīt understand why George Bush is crying like a baby "They are showing pictures that are against international law! Pleeeeaaaaasse treat our soldiers like we treat yours!". He didnīt care about that because US TV also shows arrested Iraqi soldiers. And anyway he NEVER cares about international law if it stands against US interests. (That he said himself many times in TV!). Best example therefor is the international court in Den Haag.
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:27:50
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Originally posted by TestMagic
Censorship, in its literal sense, must by definition occur in any civilization. The level and nature of censorship should be determined by each society, i.e., should be self-imposed. Finally I feel fairly comfortable in saying most or all of the democratic societies I have visited or lived in have an acceptable or tolerable level of censorship, and that this is truly only a minor issue in this whole controversy.
No, I do not agree with you. I think that I am old enough to decide by myself what I want to see. If I donīt want to see it, I can close my eyes. I even donīt like those pictures, but I also donīt like the pictures from the Iraqi soldiers or the people arrested on guantanamo. It is not fair to show those pictures and not to show the other side. War has an ugly face and not a clean one the US government wants to make believe the whole world. The world should know HOW ugly the war is and maybe then the pressure get hard enought to stop this horror. |
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GauravBhabu
Advanced Member
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:43:46
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Originally posted by Dynamix
The truth is the war has only three reasons:
3. Geroge Bush as like every son wants to make it better than his father.
I don't agree that is or can be the reason for this War. |
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:48:48
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Originally posted by Dynamix
The truth is the war has only three reasons:
1. Oil
2. The weapon industry ("Drop the old bombs on bagdad and buy new ones!")
3. Geroge Bush as like every son wants to make it better than his father.
And german TV reports, that the TV networks hasnīt a choose! They where adviced by government.
And also I canīt understand why George Bush is crying like a baby "They are showing pictures that are against international law! Pleeeeaaaaasse treat our soldiers like we treat yours!". He didnīt care about that because US TV also shows arrested Iraqi soldiers. And anyway he NEVER cares about international law if it stands against US interests. (That he said himself many times in TV!). Best example therefor is the international court in Den Haag.
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Alfred
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:49:52
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I was fully intending to help one very enthusiastic young participant in this topic understand about some misconceptions he held about the American media.
I am one who has a perspective from both sides of the pond, and I gratefully remember what the German system was modelled after.
Yes, guess what.
[sarcasm]But seeing so much self-assured insight, and worldly wisdom, I decided that my efforts would probably be spent more fruitfully discussing matters with less informed, but willing contributors.[/sarcasm]
Just a hint, and my advice, IMHO. 
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:50:41
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Originally posted by Dynamix
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Originally posted by TestMagic
Censorship, in its literal sense, must by definition occur in any civilization. The level and nature of censorship should be determined by each society, i.e., should be self-imposed. Finally I feel fairly comfortable in saying most or all of the democratic societies I have visited or lived in have an acceptable or tolerable level of censorship, and that this is truly only a minor issue in this whole controversy.
No, I do not agree with you. I think that I am old enough to decide by myself what I want to see. If I donīt want to see it, I can close my eyes. I even donīt like those pictures, but I also donīt like the pictures from the Iraqi soldiers or the people arrested on guantanamo. It is not fair to show those pictures and not to show the other side. War has an ugly face and not a clean one the US government wants to make believe the whole world. The world should know HOW ugly the war is and maybe then the pressure get hard enought to stop this horror.
The war will end when Saddam Hussein and everyone associated with him has been either killed or captured. Then, and only then, will this war end. |
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Heynow
Junior Member
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:53:53
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Originally posted by Dynamix
The truth is the war has only three reasons:
1. Oil
2. The weapon industry ("Drop the old bombs on bagdad and buy new ones!")
3. Geroge Bush as like every son wants to make it better than his father.
And german TV reports, that the TV networks hasnīt a choose! They where adviced by government.
And also I canīt understand why George Bush is crying like a baby "They are showing pictures that are against international law! Pleeeeaaaaasse treat our soldiers like we treat yours!". He didnīt care about that because US TV also shows arrested Iraqi soldiers. And anyway he NEVER cares about international law if it stands against US interests. (That he said himself many times in TV!). Best example therefor is the international court in Den Haag.
[sarcasm]WOW! You sound like you've done some research.[/sarcasm] |
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 18:55:26
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Originally posted by Dynamix
To show that US-TV is not really free, I will digitze the next reports which are coming up and which will officially not be shown in US TV. After this Iīll put them into WWW and post the link over all newsgroups and Filesharing-Tools. That would be that way how US propaganda wonīt work. Some TV stations in Germany are telling now that some pictures where shown in the US and the public opinion is beginning to change. This mad president will get under pressure and thatīs the only way to stop this crazy war for oil.
This war has nothing to do with Oil. The press in the United States can show whatever they want. The Media has agreed not to show the footage in question out of respect for the families of the individuals in question. You don't live in the United States, don't know why you think it affects you. I have no desire to see dead soldiers or soldiers who have been captured. I would be outraged if our Media had shown that footage. I don't watch news much at all though. Don't see the need. I know why we are at war, I know that we will win this war. I don't need daily updates (or hourly or by the minute, etc..). |
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HuwR
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 19:08:46
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Originally posted by Alfred
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can draw their own conclusions
I actually meant what I said Alfred, and they were aimed at you, posting some petty and inane quote is just as bad especially after your warning, if you have nothing constructive to say then don't say it. |
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snerdley
New Member
USA
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 19:25:53
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....War has an ugly face and not a clean one the US government wants to make believe the whole world. The world should know HOW ugly the war is and maybe then the pressure get hard enought to stop this horror.
This statement could also be rewritten as so.........
The Iraqi government has an ugly face and not a clean one they want the whole world to believe. The world should know HOW ugly this Iraqi government is, and maybe then the pressure get hard enough to stop this horror.
But alas, it's as if nobody cares about the ruthless dictator and his henchmen that have terrorized and looted a people for so long. When you turn things around and make evil to be good and wrong to be right, substitute bad for good and darkness for light, you are being used and you don't even know it. You ignore an evil man and his thugs, and attack the ones that will remove him and free an oppressed people. What's wrong with this picture? I'll tell you......... it's the notion that as long as "I'm" safe and happy, the rest of the world be darnned! Ignore all evil as long as it isn't affecting "me." I've got news for you, it will affect you. If not sooner, then surely later. Radical Islamic terrorists want to destroy you, and will stop at nothing to achieve this. They've proven this time and again over the last decade. And certain "governments" actually engourage this, although in secrecy and under the cover of darkness. Ignore this fact at your own peril. We will not.
And for all you conspiracy theorists, I'm told that if you line your hat with tin foil, you may be able to escape those black helicopters flying overhead. Just what I heard anyway.
In parting, let me say that I knew there were many in the International community that took a disliking to the U.S. I just didn't know how far they could go in distorting the facts to push their own agenda. I've seen so much of it here that I feel I could puke. Maybe a nice hot shower will wash away the slimey feeling I have from being smack in the middle of all this crap. Who knows.
God Bless America
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 19:33:31
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The question raised by Vodkafish is "...what was the true feel of some protests that were held by you...." As it is to find an answer to that question we are expressing ourselves with the following two opinions:
The Problem can we solved without War.
War is neccessary to solve the the Problem.
The Problem
Terrorism
Those who support the War have emphasized as below:
Objectives
Removal of Saddam and his Regime.
Disarmament of Iraq.
Liberate Iraqi People
Why War and/or Why Now?
911
Threat to America
12 Years
17 Resolutions
Since the War is On and those who want or wanted a peaceful solution to the Problem are Protesting and/or are worried about the consequencies of War and are asking:
Why Saddam or Iraq?
Will it bring an end to the Terrorism?
The Disarmament was happening, even if it was 12 years and 17 resolutions late, so why was the process disturbed?
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US Adminstration has failed to provide convincing reasons for going to War ( this is evident from the protest within the United States and all over the World ). As most powerful Democracy in the World how justified is US in bypassing the Democratic Process. |
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Alfred
Senior Member
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 19:36:13
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Originally posted by snerdley
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....War has an ugly face and not a clean one the US government wants to make believe the whole world. The world should know HOW ugly the war is and maybe then the pressure get hard enought to stop this horror.
This statement could also be rewritten as so.........
The Iraqi government has an ugly face and not a clean one they want the whole world to believe. The world should know HOW ugly this Iraqi government is, and maybe then the pressure get hard enough to stop this horror.
But alas, it's as if nobody cares about the ruthless dictator and his henchmen that have terrorized and looted a people for so long. When you turn things around and make evil to be good and wrong to be right, substitute bad for good and darkness for light, you are being used and you don't even know it. You ignore an evil man and his thugs, and attack the ones that will remove him and free an oppressed people. What's wrong with this picture? I'll tell you......... it's the notion that as long as "I'm" safe and happy, the rest of the world be darnned! Ignore all evil as long as it isn't affecting "me." I've got news for you, it will affect you. If not sooner, then surely later. Radical Islamic terrorists want to destroy you, and will stop at nothing to achieve this. They've proven this time and again over the last decade. And certain "governments" actually engourage this, although in secrecy and under the cover of darkness. Ignore this fact at your own peril. We will not.
And for all you conspiracy theorists, I'm told that if you line your hat with tin foil, you may be able to escape those black helicopters flying overhead. Just what I heard anyway.
In parting, let me say that I knew there were many in the International community that took a disliking to the U.S. I just didn't know how far they could go in distorting the facts to push their own agenda. I've seen so much of it here that I feel I could puke. Maybe a nice hot shower will wash away the slimey feeling I have from being smack in the middle of all this crap. Who knows.
God Bless America
Amen to that, as a non-American. |
Alfred
The Battle Group
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GauravBhabu
Advanced Member
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 19:41:28
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Heynow
Junior Member
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 20:01:14
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Will it bring an end to the Terrorism?
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US Adminstration has failed to provide convincing reasons for going to War ( this is evident from the protest within the United States and all over the World )
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Absolutely not, but it will eliminate some of its tools.
That is a matter of ones opinion. |
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