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Reinsnitz
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 Posted - 25 March 2003 : 13:37:15
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Originally posted by Nathan
I'm sure the emergency crews (civilians) who responded to that first blast appriciated the cruise missles which were sent in to "clean up."
They were targeting Saddam. But at what cost? A 2000 pound bomb is a 2000 pound bomb, its going to take out more than one building in the dence urban environment of Bagdad. And those wonderful cleanup cruse missles are only accurate to rougly 10 meters, that makes a huge difference if your trying to pick a tiny house out of a city. "Oops! The GPS didn't adjust for that tree"
They already missed Iraq itself: Two into Turkey, one on a civilian Bus (Syrian), one or two into Iran refinery...
partialy thanks to Russian sold and trained equipment. (after the conflict started). |
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Reinsnitz
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 13:39:47
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I think you are missing an important point. It is NOT the nationality that makes people insist against war. It is how we feel, how we think, how we dream, how we live and how we act, in the past, now and in the future... There is no law for all of us, we just listen to our hearth/brain to decide by our own. Nobody was capable to brainwash us...
The other side of things, is that in Mosqs arround the world, uniform preaching of death the infidel, do you know who the infidel is? Weather it is the beliefe of the people in Mosqs accross the globe, it is what is being preached, and we all know what happens when someone preaches the same thing over and over. Hitlar taught us that lesson. |
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Alfred
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 13:40:33
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There is one man I despise more than Saddam, or maybe even Bin Laden.
He is Tariq Aziz.
The reason is because the other two are acting with a certain amount of integrity - albeit evil - , but Aziz is a pure slimebag.
And, in contract to Saddam, a smart one.
The only thing worse than an evil man is a smart evil man.
In an interview on CNN this morning Joe Wilson, the last U.S. diplomat in contact with this man, was asked whether he believed what Aziz was saying.
Wilson recalled the years of deceptive tactics and pure lies he was subjected to in his dealings with him, and summarized his response by asking: "would you buy a used car from this man?"
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 13:52:19
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside?
Does it matter? Of course, I am not an Alien to Planet Earth but I do not have the freedom to live where ever I want to live on this Planet. Freedom. Do you have this Freedom?
GauravBhabu, why do you keep adding to your posts after I've already answered them?
I missed what I wanted to say so I added. Just avoided to refer to your post twice. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 13:55:35
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| Maybe you should create a new post to stay current with the thread and one reading it doesn't become confused. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 14:02:41
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If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside?
Does it matter? Of course, I am not an Alien to Planet Earth but I do not have the freedom to live where ever I want to live on this Planet. Freedom. Do you have this Freedom?
I take it you refuse to answer the question, but yes I do have this freedom. Do ALL people in your country have this freedom? or to speakout against their government? to where what clothing they want? |
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Doug G
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 14:14:26
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
I invite everyone to read the timeline of events from 1991 to 2002, it showcases Iraq's constant non-compliance of UN Resolutions. It also showcases the failure of the UN to enforce it's resolutions.
http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timeline.htm
Thanks for the link.
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snerdley
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 14:43:51
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........... We know the Life is Precious, Let Us Care.
"In the last few weeks, I've tried to put myself in the shoes of an antiwar protester — a useful exercise not just for a journalist, but for anybody. And let me share with you, just briefly, something I came up with.
If I were antiwar, but retained my essential nature, I might oppose the Iraq effort for one or more of several reasons: because I was a pacifist; because I was devoted to the U.N. Security Council, whose approval was paramount to me; because I believed in perpetual sanctions and inspections; because I thought that Saddam Hussein could be contained.
But I would still reason, "Even though I'm against this war, at least the Iraqi people will be free of Saddam Hussein. At least a byproduct of our war will be the toppling of one of the cruelest tyrannies of our time. No more torture chambers. No more rape rooms. No more putting men through shredders. No more cutting out of tongues for saying the wrong thing. No more 'Republic of Fear,' as Kanan Makiya memorably put it, in the title of his book."
But you hear none of this from the antiwar protesters. At least I don't. Their lack of compassion for the Iraqi people is staggering. It's almost as though the continued torture and murder of innocents were better than any quarter given to George W. Bush: the Texan, the churchgoer, the villain.
We're all supposed to respect dissent. It is, indeed, part of the American Way! But I must confess that I perceive very, very little to respect in the current armies of dissent. Henry David Thoreau is dissent; this is madness and meanness."
Jay Nordlinger, National Review
The floodgates of world support will be opened when sadaam steps down. Food, water, clothing, help in any way the Iraqi people may need. Even the help to decide their own future, free from an evil tyrant who hoardes billion$$ while his people starve. Yet, I can't recall ever hearing any of you peacemakers calling for him to step down. When the Iraqi people are freed, and they ask you why you did not support the effort, I hope you have an answer for them.
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 15:10:10
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If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside?
Does it matter? Of course, I am not an Alien to Planet Earth but I do not have the freedom to live where ever I want to live on this Planet. Freedom. Do you have this Freedom?
I take it you refuse to answer the question, but yes I do have this freedom. Do ALL people in your country have this freedom? or to speakout against their government? to where what clothing they want?
I envy your freedom to be able to live anywhere in this fragmented world which is divided and people are restricted to move from one nation to another nation. But you have this freedom.
Answer to all your questions. Yes, they can live anyhere they want within the country. Yes. Yes. However, I think What a person Wears is more of a culture then lack of Freedom. |
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Alfred
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 16:06:53
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Very astute observation, snerdley.
That is basically what rubs me wrong with most of the arguments - that they are desperately trying to divert attention from the big picture and the outrageous wrongdoings and instead concentrate on nickpicking on imperfections of the people who are doing their best to remove the bad guys.
The only solution to counteract such bias is to abandon all noble aspirations and get down to the level of the enemy's style.
It would probably not be possible to equal that level, but if we were only half as bad as that it may suffice.
The bad kid who is not quite as bad as the real bad one usually is considered good.
The good kid who slips up is considered bad.
Such is the justice of the blind. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 16:46:29
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You hit the nail right on the head Alfred and if we were at half their level...The war would be over now, with millions killed.
Couldn't have said that any better myself snerdley... |
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Doug G
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 17:52:59
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The mandate to invade another soverign nation was never "to get rid of the bad guy". If that's the only remaining justification for this war, I guess this administration has followed the time-honored practice of lying to the public for the last few months.
If "removing bad guys" is going to become the mandate of the US, then 75 Billion is nowhere near enough. There have been and still are plenty of other bad guys around the world. Why this one and why now? That question still is not satisfactorily answered.
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Reinsnitz
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 18:00:33
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| it had to be someone... caus we're going down the list... Sadam was chosen at the top of the list, had another person been in office, it would have possibly been someone else first, but Sadam would have been in the top two... guarenteed that there is a list, and it is going to be run down. |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 18:05:26
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| Suddenly some more people have started to believe that They have the right to determine Who should Live and Who should Die. |
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