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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  11:16:29  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Doug G

Just in case anyone wants to read 1441 it's here

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02110803.htm




If I missed, is there a mention to the "Use of Force", if Iraq does not comply?
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  11:21:50  Show Profile  Visit Heynow's Homepage  Send Heynow an AOL message  Send Heynow a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu

quote:
Originally posted by Doug G

Just in case anyone wants to read 1441 it's here

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/02110803.htm




If I missed, is there a mention to the "Use of Force", if Iraq does not comply?


There doesn't have to be, this is part of the ceasefire guidelines in 1991.


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seven
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  12:42:21  Show Profile  Visit seven's Homepage
I remember people dancing in the streets, shooting guns in the air and burning american flags after 9/11 in some arab countries.
So apprarently the loss of innocent human lives means nothing to them.

Using religion as a weapon is wrong.


quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu


It is very disturbing that US wants to use that money to attack other countries and some people find joy in it as if this is another Show of Fireworks.


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Alfred
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:01:28  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu

quote:
Originally posted by Heynow777
He is guilty. He has not disarmed...Case closed.


Not so fast. So it is all about "Not Disarmed". Who else has disarmed. If you want to be a Judge then don't tell your personal opinion.

I most cases a judge deals with the case at hand.
I have never heard of a defense of a murderer which excuses the crime with precedent cases.
Don't lose focus.

Alfred
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Alfred
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USA
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:06:43  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
quote:
You again bring 911 as the reason for Attack. 911, Disarmament, Regime Change what is it that US is going for.

You pretty much gave us a summarization of the reasons.
Thank you.

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Edited by - Alfred on 25 March 2003 13:21:53
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RichardKinser
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:08:47  Show Profile
I invite everyone to read the timeline of events from 1991 to 2002, it showcases Iraq's constant non-compliance of UN Resolutions. It also showcases the failure of the UN to enforce it's resolutions.

http://usinfo.state.gov/products/pubs/iraq/timeline.htm
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Alfred
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:17:58  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu

quote:
Originally posted by Heynow777
If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside?

Does it matter? Of course, I am not an Alien to Planet Earth but I do not have the freedom to live where ever I want to live on this Planet. Freedom. Do you have this Freedom?

Following the times of his activity in this discussion it seems he too, enjoys the freedom of our country.
I may be wrong with that assumption, but the timing of his posts sure looks like it.

If you prefer to keep your current location obscure, would you mind enlightening us to your desire to "the freedom to live where ever I want to live on this Planet."?

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Reinsnitz
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:18:42  Show Profile  Visit Reinsnitz's Homepage  Send Reinsnitz an AOL message  Send Reinsnitz an ICQ Message  Send Reinsnitz a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by seahorse

quote:
quote:
You don't have to invade Iraq to kill Saddam. Park B-2 bombers in relays over Iraq and drop a 2000 lb. JDAM on him when he finally shows his face. Do it for days, weeks, months, years if you have to. It will still be cheaper than to shipping a quarter of a million American troops half way around the world. You also wouldn't piss off a good portion of the globe in the process.
Unfortunately - and I am sure deep down you are aware of this - our system does not condone that option.


The B-2 is one over the top example. I'm sure someone else could think up a more creative option that's more palitable to the national psyche. The point is, I think other alternatives to full out invasion existed.




well the most economical would probably be 3 tactical nukes... but then there are civilians... and Sadam would make sure the whole population was inside of his palaces... oh well... that one is out.

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Reinsnitz
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:25:37  Show Profile  Visit Reinsnitz's Homepage  Send Reinsnitz an AOL message  Send Reinsnitz an ICQ Message  Send Reinsnitz a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by Alfred


Oh, God.
It becomes tiring to have to repeat these points again and again.
They are so obvious to any thinking observer.



Alfred, remember, some of the oposition group here are not very old. They have not had the life experience that some of us have. They are affected more by their peer group overseas than the truth.

Something I heared a long time ago, and it kinda made sence, is that the natural development of liberal American youth is as follows:

Born Liberal

Middle Aged Libratarian

Old Republican

some people jump the cycle and go right to republican, but the fact comes back arround that MOST people who start out liberal end up Republican, but we just have to be patient to let them come full cycle... as heart wrenching as it is :)

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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:28:22  Show Profile  Visit Heynow's Homepage  Send Heynow an AOL message  Send Heynow a Yahoo! Message
Reports are that Iraqi forces are threatening citizens not to rise up or welcome US troops or they will be killed. Shia population starts up rise in Basrah with UK assistance.


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Reinsnitz
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:28:28  Show Profile  Visit Reinsnitz's Homepage  Send Reinsnitz an AOL message  Send Reinsnitz an ICQ Message  Send Reinsnitz a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by bjlt

so no one here pays attention to the fact that without an authorization from UN, technically such a war is an invasion in terms of international law? If you have a law in your country that is out dated or not proper do you change it first or just ignore it?

you might be always trying to do the right things, but you may be wrong, you may do it in a wrong way, or simply interpreted by others wrong, all may lead to bad results.



The UN passed a resolution authorizing force. The issue is that they wanted to pass a second one saying the same thing, becaus like most nations in the UN, the security council conviniently forgot that they had ever passed any resolutions reguarding Iraq. We (the United States) are mearly holding the UN to prior resolutions.

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Reinsnitz
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:30:22  Show Profile  Visit Reinsnitz's Homepage  Send Reinsnitz an AOL message  Send Reinsnitz an ICQ Message  Send Reinsnitz a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu

quote:
Originally posted by Heynow777
He is guilty. He has not disarmed...Case closed.



Not so fast. So it is all about "Not Disarmed". Who else has disarmed. If you want to be a Judge then don't tell your personal opinion.



Um... go back and read the preceeding 17 pages of posts please.

Disarm long range and balistic weapons. Not disarm completely.

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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:33:00  Show Profile  Visit Heynow's Homepage  Send Heynow an AOL message  Send Heynow a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu

quote:
Originally posted by Heynow777
If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside?

Does it matter? Of course, I am not an Alien to Planet Earth but I do not have the freedom to live where ever I want to live on this Planet. Freedom. Do you have this Freedom?


GauravBhabu, why do you keep adding to your posts after I've already answered them?


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Reinsnitz
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Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:35:05  Show Profile  Visit Reinsnitz's Homepage  Send Reinsnitz an AOL message  Send Reinsnitz an ICQ Message  Send Reinsnitz a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu

...
  • You could provide health care for ____ people in US who have no health insurance.




  • Not if they are dead from a biological attack, or the US way of life has been destroyed by terrorists userping the very fabric of American life.

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    GauravBhabu
    Advanced Member

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    Posted - 25 March 2003 :  13:35:56  Show Profile
    quote:
    Originally posted by airilm

    I remember people dancing in the streets, shooting guns in the air and burning american flags after 9/11 in some arab countries.
    So apprarently the loss of innocent human lives means nothing to them.
    Using religion as a weapon is wrong.


    Let us believe they do not value life. They are ignorant. We know the Life is Precious, Let Us Care.


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