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GauravBhabu
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 Posted - 25 March 2003 : 08:16:29
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| And now you think it is okay if some more lives are lost, and lives lost now will not be of those who are innocent or it does not matter if Innocent lives are lost again. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 08:22:04
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
And now you think it is okay if some more lives are lost, and those lost now will not be of those who are innocent.
Of course not, but if the evil regime of Iraq hides behind their innocent, then what alternatives are there...It's either them or us and we are putting our soldiers lives at risk trying not to have innocent casualties.
If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside? |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 08:30:34
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If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside?
Does it matter? Of course, I am not an Alien to Planet Earth but I do not have the freedom to live where ever I want to live on this Planet. Freedom. Do you have this Freedom? |
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 08:34:02
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I'm sure the emergency crews (civilians) who responded to that first blast appriciated the cruise missles which were sent in to "clean up."
They were targeting Saddam. But at what cost? A 2000 pound bomb is a 2000 pound bomb, its going to take out more than one building in the dence urban environment of Bagdad. And those wonderful cleanup cruse missles are only accurate to rougly 10 meters, that makes a huge difference if your trying to pick a tiny house out of a city. "Oops! The GPS didn't adjust for that tree"
They already missed Iraq itself: Two into Turkey, one on a civilian Bus (Syrian), one or two into Iran refinery...
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 08:36:26
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
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Originally posted by Heynow777
If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside?
Does it matter?
Well, most Arab media is one sided and I am curious to where you get your facts from. |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 08:36:33
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| Syrians called it a criminal Act and others were told it was a Mistake. But the result is some innocent lives were lost again and they were as precious as any other lives which were lost earlier and will be lost in future. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 08:59:00
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
Syrians called it a criminal Act and others were told it was a Mistake. But the result is some innocent lives were lost again and they were as precious as any other lives which were lost earlier and will be lost in future.
This is extremely unfortunate and my prayers go out to those and their families, but there is a war in Iraq and unfortunately innocent people are going to die, this bus was in Iraq. |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 09:07:53
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| I know there is War, so does most Men and Women in Iraq. How about a New born child or other human beings who are not blessed to be Men or Women and I know there is life in Plants too. |
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 09:16:45
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If I might ask GauravBhabu, what is your nationality? and where do you reside?
Does it matter?
Well, most Arab media is one sided and I am curious to where you get your facts from.
I think you are missing an important point. It is NOT the nationality that makes people insist against war. It is how we feel, how we think, how we dream, how we live and how we act, in the past, now and in the future... There is no law for all of us, we just listen to our hearth/brain to decide by our own. Nobody was capable to brainwash us...
I'm the man in Turkey, in Bombay, in Cairo, the woman in Tokio, the child in Bagdat, the senior citizen in Swiss, the fire fighter in NY, the soldier in Israel, ... We are the people from the planet Earth. Centuries later, we will be the people from the Solar System...
We feel, we think, we evaluate, we act against all that makes people suffer...
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 09:25:12
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I think you are missing an important point. It is NOT the nationality that makes people insist against war. It is how we feel, how we think, how we dream, how we live and how we act, in the past, now and in the future... There is no law for all of us, we just listen to our hearth/brain to decide by our own. Nobody was capable to brainwash us...
I'm the man in Turkey, in Bombay, in Cairo, the woman in Tokio, the child in Bagdat, the senior citizen in Swiss, the fire fighter in NY, the soldier in Israel, ... We are the people from the planet Earth. Centuries later, we will be the people from the Solar System...
We feel, we think, we evaluate, we act against all that makes people suffer...
Well said Bozden and I agree, but you have to admit, the Arab media is extemely one sided and in some cases preaches hatred and death to the "Satan in the west". |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 09:50:18
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Heynow777, I will not contradict what you said about Preachers. It was during those days when the distances were not easy to travel and there was lack of communication. The general population was made to fear from the threat of unknown to do the right things. It is not limited to one religion or belief, you will find it in all religions. But it is not just that.
We begin and live to the end of our life with the fear of Unknown.
As a child we are told "Eat or drink otherwise you will remain week"
As we grow we are told "Obey the Law or you will be punished"
On the Job we are told "Perform or you will be Fired."
The means of communication and travel have not brought the people any closer. We have come closer but distances have increased covered the distances but have become more distanced from each other. The fear remains as is...
Fear is there because We have lack of understanding, We are not honest, We are not truthful, We do not accept but want to be accepted, We are not giving but want to receive, We want Peace but We Fight...
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 09:53:09
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Well said Bozden and I agree, but you have to admit, the Arab media is extemely one sided and in some cases preaches hatred and death to the "Satan in the west".
As all of you know, media and propoganda is a tool for those who fight. US uses it everytime, and Iraq seems to have learned how to use it  . Sad, but worth to read calmly to learn how it is done and the equlibrium in that area is reached...
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Are people capable of evaluating the information they are fed with and filter out the "noise", sometimes not jump into a news title and wait for evidence before they react? Is it the extend of the education they had in the past that gives them this ability? Wouldn't it worth to invest in education (not dis-inform/mis-inform, no propoganda), show them the wealth of human beings, animal life and the world; instead of investing in armory and the bombs. Would the Arab world behave otherwise if they had the possibility to learn western/eastern ideology and decide themselves. Did the western world give them anything worth, other than supporting their feodal structure and leaving the tyrants su*k the blood of the poor people, in return of getting control of the governments who further coltrol the resources such as oil? Would the western world benefit if they really had democracy so that the people govern themselves and say "stop, we know what you're trying to do, we won't give our resources in exchange of such low prices, we also don't buy your weapons and we don't allow you profit from the wars that you start among us".
Just questions running through my head  .
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 10:11:24
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
Heynow777, I will not contradict what you said about Preachers. It was during those days when the distances were not easy to travel and there was lack of communication. The general population was made to fear from the threat of unknown to do the right things. It is not limited to one religion or belief, you will find it in all religions. But it is not just that.
We begin and live to the end of our life with the fear of Unknown.
As a child we are told "Eat or drink otherwise you will remain week"
As we grow we are told "Obey the Law or you will be punished"On the Job we are told "Perform or you will be Fired."
The means of communication and travel have not brought the people any closer. We have come closer but distances have increased. The fear remains as is...
Fear is there because We have lack of understanding, We are not honest, We are not truthful, We do not accept but want to be accepted, We are not giving but want to receive, We want Peace but We Fight...
Well said GauravBhabu, but unfortunately there are some bad and evil people who make peace impossible and they must be dealt with.
Your position for peace is appreciated.. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 10:15:08
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Originally posted by bozden
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Well said Bozden and I agree, but you have to admit, the Arab media is extemely one sided and in some cases preaches hatred and death to the "Satan in the west".
As all of you know, media and propoganda is a tool for those who fight. US uses it everytime, and Iraq seems to have learned how to use it . Sad, but worth to read calmly to learn how it is done and the equlibrium in that area is reached...
The problem is:
Are people capable of evaluating the information they are fed with and filter out the "noise", sometimes not jump into a news title and wait for evidence before they react? Is it the extend of the education they had in the past that gives them this ability? Wouldn't it worth to invest in education (not dis-inform/mis-inform, no propoganda), show them the wealth of human beings, animal life and the world; instead of investing in armory and the bombs. Would the Arab world behave otherwise if they had the possibility to learn western/eastern ideology and decide themselves. Did the western world give them anything worth, other than supporting their feodal structure and leaving the tyrants su*k the blood of the poor people, in return of getting control of the governments who further coltrol the resources such as oil? Would the western world benefit if they really had democracy so that the people govern themselves and say "stop, we know what you're trying to do, we won't give our resources in exchange of such low prices, we also don't buy your weapons and we don't allow you profit from the wars that you start among us".
Just questions running through my head .
Some good point's Bozden, but I think there is quite a difference between US propaganda and Arab propaganda. |
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