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Dynamix
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Germany
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 Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:31:01
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Originally posted by Heynow777
What happened at Guantanamo? they are living in camps and being fed. Do you really think they're both the same? is this just ignorance? or do you know something that I don't?
I donīt know, because it seems that the TV_Stations over here talks about other things than the TV in the US. 
But here they are talking about ignorring then Geneva conventions. And about ignorring international law, even if there are still people arrested which are definetly NOT Al Kaida-Members. Many are, but a hand full of people are not. What about them?
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Originally posted by Heynow777
This could change US opinion, but that is not the reason. Those soldiers have families over here.
Yes of course, but alls people have a right to be informed, because many famlies have still living soldiers over there and maybe they are thinking after the information in an other way and their people could be rescued... |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:36:53
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Originally posted by Alfred
Dynamix, it seems to me that despite your claim that you know the conditions in the U.S. very well you are gravely misjudging the nature of this country.
Thatīs possible true, because I donīt live there. Iīm only trying to understand whatīs going on. But to understand the whole thing I should have live there my whole live. BUT: Thatīs the same thing vise versa. Many US people are talking about the bad, bad, Germany and France. And all these people also canīt understand...
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Originally posted by Alfred
First of all, this is not a "dictatorial", or "police state" society and nobody, including the President of the United States, can "forbid" the media to show anything they feel like showing.
But then why they are not showing it?
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Originally posted by Alfred
Your second error lies in the perception of the reasons that these pictures were not shown.
Our real concern is to prevent inflaming the people who have up to now shown shown great restraint.
We do not want to flame the same hatred in our population that the fanatics within Iraq are trying to use to their advantage.
Knowing the American people, pictures of this nature would surely achieve the opposite of what those animals - sorry, I love animals -... those subhumans, intended.
Hmm, I donīt thing that Iraqi people are different to americans or germans, or to anyone on this planet. We are all want to live. And the most of us in peace. The only difference is the situation in which you was born... |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:41:27
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| It is understandable if the pictures/video are not shown as the families need to be informed first. |
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Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:45:04
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Germany, France and Russia are selling and have sold (fully knowing the intent of the purchase of) chemicals, biological materials, and electronics used exclusively for the building weapons of devastating long range capabilities and horid effects.
Not only are these things banned by UN resolution for sale to Iraq, but are also in violation of the Geneva conventions which ban chemical and biological weapons. (hey... another international law that Sadam is breaking flauntingly). |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:45:39
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Originally posted by ruirib
I live in Portugal, yes. Portugal is a western democracy, no better no worse than Germany in what relates to freedom of information.
Yes, I heard that a few hours before. Sorry for thinking you live in the US, but you sounded to me like that... 
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Originally posted by ruirib
I have access to CNN, BBC World, Sky News (and ABC News), several French and German channels, and many independent news media (TVs, radios, journals). One of our TV stations is a 24 hour news channel with its own reporters in Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, the US, the UK, you name it. Just to make it clear that my views do not result from any lack of information.
Now regarding the images of the dead US soldiers, what I think was done was avoiding their display until the families of the dead can be notified. Even if it was not the case, I would probably agree if the images were not to be shown in US TV networks. Do you think images of captured cities are shown in Iraq's TVs? Why should a democracy fight with lesser weapons than a dictatorship, if the use does not violate any fundamental rights? I don't think the US is denying the deaths, just choosing not to show them.
America lost the Vietnam war largely due to the lack of will to keep on fighting, and the press and TV had a huge impact on that outcome. I'm just glad that lesson was learned.
Hmm, you canīt really ask my a democracy should fight with lesser weapons than a dictatorship, because then you can allow torturing and raping and terrorism. A democracy should be better than such countrys. Thatīs also a part of freedom...
I agree with you, that such picture should better not shown, but it is also a part of freedom: information about whatīs going on. And the war has always a bad face and therefore it should be shown. Without such pictures people would not be able to know how bad a war could be...
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Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:46:01
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| Um.. to clarify... I know that you guys are not the ones selling these things and shipping them to Iraq, but your governments are very well aware of the private corporations doing these things, and have refused to stop them. |
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snerdley
New Member
USA
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:47:20
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Sure can! It has to start with One Person, One Family, One Community, One Nation and it will be a New World.
Gandhi, Martin Luther King and many more made this committment and people followed...
Peace. Stop War.
Edited to make correction for somewhat wrong reference.
You would really expect "one" nation to be the "first" to disarm itself? With no guarantee, much less any realistic expectation, that the others would do the same? That would be irrational, insane, suicidal, and a dereliction of duty by whoever headed that country.
Again I say, wake up from your dream. Put forth a "rational, workable" plan for your utopian world. Just dreaming it won't make it happen. I'm saddened to say that you will find no such workable plan. For the nature of man is what it is, and there will always be the bad guys that will not follow nor adhere to the plan. They do not want your utopian world, they want to have "their" world. Where they are king. Where they run the show. Where they call the shots. Where they control everything in their kingdom.
Reality.
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Heynow
Junior Member
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:51:01
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Originally posted by reinsnitz
Germany, France and Russia are selling and have sold (fully knowing the intent of the purchase of) chemicals, biological materials, and electronics used exclusively for the building weapons of devastating long range capabilities and horid effects.
Not only are these things banned by UN resolution for sale to Iraq, but are also in violation of the Geneva conventions which ban chemical and biological weapons. (hey... another international law that Sadam is breaking flauntingly).
That may explain some of the strong opposition we've seen from some of these allies. Lets see if there are protests about this new information of what the Russians have been doing. |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 19:57:52
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Originally posted by Dynamix
Hmm, you canīt really ask my a democracy should fight with lesser weapons than a dictatorship, because then you can allow torturing and raping and terrorism. A democracy should be better than such countrys. Thatīs also a part of freedom...
Why did you just quote the first part of my post? Here is an important part you forgot to quote:
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Why should a democracy fight with lesser weapons than a dictatorship, if the use does not violate any fundamental rights?
Obviously torture and rape are unacceptable in a democracy because they violate fundamental rights.
The media is giving information on the dead, they are not lying. They just are not showing the pictures. The reasons for my agreement with that were given in my previous post. There simply is no point in helping the Iraqui regime to win the battle on the will to keep fighting. |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 23 March 2003 : 20:09:48
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Originally posted by ruirib
Why did you just quote the first part of my post? Here is an important part you forgot to quote:
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Ups. Sorry, Havenīt read carefully. Yes, here we agree again! |
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drirene
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 20:27:34
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| FOX news just televised that the allies found a huge chemical weapons plant in Iraq. Apparently they've captured the General and others in the facility. |
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snerdley
New Member
USA
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 20:29:20
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A senior pentagon official has confirmed to Fox News on Sunday that coalition forces have discovered a "huge" chemical weapons factory near the Iraqi city of An Najaf, which is situated some 225 miles south of Baghdad.
<sarcasm on>
No no no, this is surely a mistake. Iraq has already told us, for 12 years now, that they do not have chemical weapons. The U.S. must be lying.
</sarcasm off>
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,81935,00.html
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 20:29:53
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I agree violance is not to be shown on TV. But on the other hand there are a couple of things I want to mention:
1) I saw lots of news on CNN where US soldiers take Iraqi soldiers/civilians as prisonars, hands on their heads since the second day of the war. This is also against Geneva conventions.
2) All TV channels are showing the bombing of the nice city of Bagdat, like a good fireworks show where hundreds of people injured.
3) We may have used to see blood on TV thanks to the film industry, but this time we are NOT in a cinema, it really happens.
Perhaps people can deduce something from this blood-show, think again and say:
"It could be done without war!"
"This was not they promissed to us!"
"I don't want any more wars!"
"Stop the War!"
"Peace, NOW!"
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Heynow
Junior Member
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drirene
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 23 March 2003 : 20:31:56
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| The plant is about 100 acres in size, surrounded by electrified fence, and was camoflaged to look like the surrounding sand bank terrain from the air. It's about 100 miles south of Baghdad. Apparently the Pentagon has verified this find according to FOX. Wow! |
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