| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Heynow
Junior Member
374 Posts |
|
|
sy
Average Member
United Kingdom
638 Posts |
 Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:37:40
|
quote:
Originally posted by Heynow777
quote:
Originally posted by sy
Have they really? I hope so.
Huh? do you have any WWII links?
I'm not sure i understand what you are asking, your original post I replied to:
..It's up to them. Saddam Hussein is a criminal and to let him have weapons of mass destruction is a little too dangerous. After 9/11 many Americans take any threat very serious...Times have changed.
Wasn't about world war two.
We are supposed to learn from our mistakes the cost of them, not the profits.
Please clarify what you mean. |
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails
|
 |
|
|
Heynow
Junior Member
374 Posts |
Posted - 22 March 2003 : 19:09:14
|
quote:
Originally posted by sy
I'm not sure i understand what you are asking, your original post I replied to:
Wasn't about world war two.
We are supposed to learn from our mistakes the cost of them, not the profits.
Please clarify what you mean.
What I meant was we have to take all threats seriously and I also hope we have learned some lessons from our past. |
Political Forums:::Stay n Chat
 |
|
|
|
RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
16655 Posts |
Posted - 22 March 2003 : 19:12:15
|
quote:
Originally posted by bozden
quote:
Originally posted by Heynow777
quote:
Thank you for showing everyone that the Turkish people and their parliament are not for sale, not even for 26 billion dollars.
Turkey is allowing the USA to use its airspace...Not sure how much that cost though.
The amounts mentioned were for remedy of losses caused by a war USA caused.
If you are trying to say that the USA caused the 1991 Gulf War, you are very much mistaken. Saddam Hussein caused that war, just like he has caused this one. He was given every chance this time to avoid a war, he chose to go to war. |
|
|
|
Doug G
Support Moderator
USA
6493 Posts |
Posted - 22 March 2003 : 19:18:24
|
quote:
Originally posted by Classicmotorcycling
Doug,
Good to see an Aussie right in there at both ends...
quote:
Originally posted by Doug G
So is it just coincidence that the 3 countries with the troops on the ground are the only 3 countries where Rupert Murdoch & Newscorp have a major media presence?
Now how would he make money if it wasn't so... 
So would you guys please take him back? I miss being a Dodger fan
|
======
Doug G
======
Computer history and help at www.dougscode.com |
|
|
|
drirene
Junior Member
USA
129 Posts |
Posted - 22 March 2003 : 20:55:01
|
I have the utmost respect for President Bush. He has ushered in an era of integrity rather than one of personal gain, which I think the French President and the former Iraqi President, as well as too many others (like our own former Clinton) share.
There really are individuals out there that operate out of a sense of what is just, and too many others who try to obfuscate that. |
*Trubble* the Cat & Dr. Irene
http://drirene.com |
|
|
|
Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
3545 Posts |
Posted - 22 March 2003 : 21:31:19
|
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu
My wish. One Summit. One Resolution. "All Nations, All People should destroy all kinds of weaopns without questioning who will be the first to do so but with a committment to be the first to do so."
Peace.
That would be a wonderfull thing, I hope some day it can happen! |
Reinsnitz (Mike) |
|
|
|
Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
3545 Posts |
Posted - 22 March 2003 : 21:42:11
|
Dynamix, if you remember, the US, GB and Australia are enforcing International Law. The UN security council passed the measure allowing for use of foce.
Deny it if you will, but it is the factual truth. |
Reinsnitz (Mike) |
|
|
|
snerdley
New Member
USA
65 Posts |
Posted - 22 March 2003 : 22:37:02
|
| War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. John Stuart Mill (1806 - 1873) |
|
|
|
dayve
Forum Moderator
USA
5820 Posts |
Posted - 22 March 2003 : 23:24:46
|
I am very happy to say that with all the coverage that is happening this go around that I am witness to the United States and participating allies doing a very good job. We are being very precise about our targets, trying to ensure that rebuilding Iraq after the war will not be a difficult one. I am also very happy to witness what appears to be very fair treatment of the enemy troops that are surrendering.
One thing that does severely alarm me is the latest report of the American-Muslim Marine from the 101st Marine Battalian that used 3 grenades to try and apparently hurt and or kill a senior person within the camp. If this was done out of protest, then this Marine went about it the wrong way and deserves whatever punishment comes his way if found guilty. |
 |
|
|
|
Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
3545 Posts |
Posted - 23 March 2003 : 00:40:01
|
| yea that is hard... but in an organization of millions like the US military, it is imposible to filter out a couple of extreemists. |
Reinsnitz (Mike) |
|
|
|
snerdley
New Member
USA
65 Posts |
Posted - 23 March 2003 : 01:03:59
|
quote:
One thing that does severely alarm me is the latest report of the American-Muslim Marine from the 101st Marine Battalian that used 3 grenades to try and apparently hurt and or kill a senior person within the camp. If this was done out of protest, then this Marine went about it the wrong way and deserves whatever punishment comes his way if found guilty.
trea·son (trzn) n.
1. Violation of allegiance toward one's country or sovereign, especially the betrayal of one's country by waging war against it or by consciously and purposely acting to aid its enemies.
2. A betrayal of trust or confidence.
Law of Traitors
The seldom-used treason statute (18 U.S.C. §2381) provides penalties ranging from five years to death for anyone who, "owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."
The biggest mistake these loons have made is to believe that we, as a nation, are cowards. That they are somehow superior, and in the right, because they are willing to die for what they believe in. Perhaps they should study up on how our country was founded, for they surely do not have an "original" idea there. They just choose to do it in a cowardly and murderous manner. They, and all who defend them or do not speak out against them, will be held accountable. If not in this world, then in the next.
Now I'm off to the tube to watch my country and her friends administer some truth and justice, a scarce commodity in Iraq for sure.
|
|
|
|
Nathan
Help Moderator
USA
7664 Posts |
Posted - 23 March 2003 : 02:29:51
|
quote:
Originally posted by reinsnitzDeny it if you will, but it is the factual truth.
There are no facts and no truth in matters of the social sciences. |
|
|
|
Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 23 March 2003 : 02:51:22
|
quote:
Originally posted by ruirib
I live in a free country.
And that itself is not true. America is NOT a free country. Some examples: You canīt drink what ever you want where ever you want. Youngsters about 12 can go to jail like Gangsters about 21. It doesnīt make a difference. Even there also still is death penalty in some parts of USA. You look in TV the hardest Horror-Movies but no naked tits or anything else. What kind of freedom is that if you canīt decide by yourself what you want to see? And I donīt want to tell anything about racism against black people. USA has the biggest fascism scene in the whole world. Even bigger than in eastern germany. (And there is also a big skin head scene!). Is that freedom? Canīt believe that! Also a simple thing: you canīt drive as fast as you want on your highways. You donīt have a really working social system. Many people in the USA doesnīt have chances like they should. And whatīs about Guantanamo. The US Government takes the freedom for Torture the arrested people there and there are still some people arrested wich are surely no Al Kaida Members, because they are from some european countrys and only through coincidence arrested.
Is it freedom that your government decides not to accept international court and if US-Soldiers would be some war criminals they would take them with the help of weapons out of international jail?
That are all facts told by US, English, France and German-Media.
And again: I donīt want to throw stones against the US, because every medal has two sides, but that is also what I want to tell. Not all is very good in the US and even the US is not the most free country in the world. In some parts you are but in other parts you are in still in the middle age...
Some things in Germany, or France or even Britain seem also to be from the middle age, but I havenīt told, that here is everything much better. Every one has to carry his own package...
quote:
Originally posted by ruirib
The worst nightmare of present times is the image of terrorists with access to weapons of mass destruction.
In this part we agree 100%!
quote:
Originally posted by ruirib
Yes it is sad that innocent people have to die because of this, but surely had France and Germany shown a greater resolve toward Saddam and probably this could have been avoided.
Thatīs not true! The whole war could have been avoided. The inspectors would have need a little bit more time. Thatīs all.
quote:
Originally posted by ruirib
Do me a favor, don't treat me as a blind man or a stupid just because I think differently from you. I can live with people thinking differently from me, that's just normal. Just don't pretend to know better, ok?
Thatīs not what I have said. Excuse me, if it sounds like something like that. Maybe I have not choosen the best words, because of my bad english... I donīt think any one who is thinking differently from me is stupid!!! No, you are just thinking differently. And therefore I only wanted to show in this discussion the way many people arround me thinking about the things going on today. I tell it again: I have nothing against the US-People, but I donīt like this kind of propaganda...
quote:
Originally posted by ruirib
I remember the protests in Germany, during the early 1980s, against nuclear missile installation in Germany. Had those protesters had their way my friend and your country wouldn't be united today and hundreds of millions of europeans would still leave behind the Iron Curtain. Had the german leadership been as feeble then as it is now and the world would be much worse. I do remember then that the US was as strongly committed to the european defense just as it is today to stop Saddam's rule. I thank God for that!
Yes, here we agree again. I am very, very thankful for the help and friendship of the USA in that time. And with the look over the shoulder itīs easy to say, that was the right way. In that time many people where frightened and that was the reason. Today, itīs possible the same: many people are frightened again. But do any one REALLY know if it is the right way? |
Edited by - Dynamix on 23 March 2003 02:57:00 |
|
|
|
RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
16655 Posts |
Posted - 23 March 2003 : 03:29:00
|
Dynamix, I had a whole long drawn out response to your post, but just don't think that it's worth the time to post it. Needless to say, you are wrong about the United States not being a free country. We have laws to protect our citizens. If we didn't, then we would not be a civilized nation. But, having laws does not mean we aren't a free country. Who do you think it is that enacts these laws? It's not just one person, it's the elected Representatives of every United States Citizen. The people that we chose to represent us.
You seem to think that a truly "free" country is one without any laws whatsoever where anyone and everyone can do whatever they want, whenever they want, without risk of punishment. Sorry, but I sure wouldn't want to live in a country like that, would you?
Oh, and since when does ruirib live in America? I believe he lives in Portugal (that's what is listed as his country in his profile). |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
