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GauravBhabu
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 Posted - 22 March 2003 : 17:44:57
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Originally posted by Heynow777
Turkey is allowing the USA to use its airspace...Not sure how much that cost though.
What return can Turkey hope for? Not much. Mr Powell reaffirmed on March 19th that the $6 billion was off the table. All Turkey has got so far is an American statement that it will not, after all, withdraw its support for loans from the International Monetary Fund. With $93 billion of debt repayments already due this year, panic is deepening in the Istanbul markets.
http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1650002
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Heynow
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 17:45:37
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 17:50:52
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Thank you for showing everyone that the Turkish people and their parliament are not for sale, not even for 26 billion dollars.
Turkey is allowing the USA to use its airspace...Not sure how much that cost though.
The amounts mentioned were for remedy of losses caused by a war USA caused.
The use of airspace is also granted by other countries although they opposed the war. I think this time it was something like letting Turkey alone in decisions and the North of Iraq.
I'm personally against that decision, also against the invasion of Northern Iraq by Turkish forces to suppress Kurdish existence there.
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 17:53:02
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
The appearance that there are more people against this war, than there are for it, is just that.
America is not the whole world. And who has done the head count on supporters of War and those who are against the war. China and India do not support this war. It is +2 Billion out of +6 Billion
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
It appears that way, because of these nuts out protesting. Those of us who support this war don't go out and impede traffic, or trespass on private property and vandalize it.
The suppoerters of War just throw Bombs and fire missiles
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Originally posted by RichardKinserSo sure, you see quite a few people on TV acting like fools, but there are many, many, many more people who aren't.
These fools value human lives. |
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ruirib
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 17:54:29
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But the government of the US won´t let YOU see what´s really going on. Many people who have seen both sides of the medal, have told here, that the US-TV only tells the story of the USA and not the part of Iraq or even other country's. It´s simple propaganda. German TV compares the whole day, what is securely the truth and what the US- or Iraq-Propaganda tries to tell every one. Man, there are so much differences between reality and that´s what US-TV tries to tell you...
So all that back this option to stop 12 years of deceit are blind, you're the only one that can see the truth? Give me a break, will ya?
I live in a free country. We have several independent TV networks, tens of papers, the majority of which can hardly disguise their dislike of George Bush. I get the facts though and even after that, I still back the resolve of the US and Britain to solve this once and for all. It's enough of stalling and doing nothing under the appearance that your doing something.
Iraq would turn in a mad ruler's country just like North Korea, only a bit worse, if it wouldn't be stopped now. I've already wrote here that I wish someone had done the same with North Korea before they had nukes and probably someone will have to do the same with Iran.
The worst nightmare of present times is the image of terrorists with access to weapons of mass destruction. They wouldn't hesitate a second to use them if they got them. States like Iraq, North Korea and Iran are highly likely candidates of working as suppliers of these weapons. They must be stopped and it's very good that someone is giving them the message that they cannot do it and fear nothing. Yes it is sad that innocent people have to die because of this, but surely had France and Germany shown a greater resolve toward Saddam and probably this could have been avoided.
Do me a favor, don't treat me as a blind man or a stupid just because I think differently from you. I can live with people thinking differently from me, that's just normal. Just don't pretend to know better, ok?
I remember the protests in Germany, during the early 1980s, against nuclear missile installation in Germany. Had those protesters had their way my friend and your country wouldn't be united today and hundreds of millions of europeans would still leave behind the Iron Curtain. Had the german leadership been as feeble then as it is now and the world would be much worse. I do remember then that the US was as strongly committed to the european defense just as it is today to stop Saddam's rule. I thank God for that! |
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Heynow
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:00:42
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
The suppoerters of War just throw Bombs and fire missiles
How else could we disarm Iraq?
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
These fools value human lives.
These fools are blocking traffic which includes emergency vehicles that save lives...Where is the value? The protesters are fine, but these fools are just that.
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:07:49
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
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Originally posted by Heynow777
Turkey is allowing the USA to use its airspace...Not sure how much that cost though.
What return can Turkey hope for? Not much. Mr Powell reaffirmed on March 19th that the $6 billion was off the table. All Turkey has got so far is an American statement that it will not, after all, withdraw its support for loans from the International Monetary Fund. With $93 billion of debt repayments already due this year, panic is deepening in the Istanbul markets.
http://www.economist.com/displayStory.cfm?story_id=1650002
GB, that is not quite correct. What they call "The Markets" is a few capitalists speculating on this issue. The stock market drops? Who cares! It is not the money of the people. The top 5% is holding 35%, top 20% is holding 55% of the economy in Turkey.
They just wanted to suck more "hot cash" to profit more and used the speculations to force the government (also using the media they own) to follow their "interests"... If Turkey was a part of the war, they could have get additional tenders for re-building Iraq...
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sy
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:14:55
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Here is a link for you all to see if you like, it is someones running account of what is happening, and is a better source of information than our local station.
www.agonist.org
The guy behind the site is correlating incoming info into his blog, from a variety of sources. |
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Classicmotorcycling
Development Team Leader
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:15:10
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GauravBhabu,
Funny you should say this:
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
What if France, Germany, Russia, China and other countries, those who do not support this war, decide to use their might to stop the USA and Allies from continuing with this Attack...Think about it where it will lead...Those countries are sensible enough to have not made this decision. There are many countries who have these "Accurate Weapons".
Stop War.
Last I heard 2 days ago, both France and Germany wanted a say in how the war progressed and also want a say in how to run the country after the war, now does that sound like countries that do not want war?
Not in my books it doesn’t. They know they got it wrong and now want a piece of the action, without admitting they stuffed up. Both France and Germany are too pig headed for their own good.
What France and Germany didn't tell you, is that they were selling weapons of mass destruction to Iraq that is why they didn't want a war, now there is one, then they know it don't matter. 
China and Russia are communist states and have always hated what the USA have done to help the rest of the world, as it takes away their strangle hold on shoving their beliefs down peoples throats (that's what I see it as). 
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Alfred
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:17:08
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A short revisit to this thread shows me that I left at the right time.
Logic and reason very rarely penetrate the minds of those who don't keep it open.
It seems that you are wasting your breath, the same as we have wasted time with diplomatic efforts against bazaar tactics.
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:20:09
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Disarm Iraq? the way it was being done. Every nation (no exception) having weapons is an equal threat to world peace.
Don't just use one or two instances to call every one, who does not support War, a fool. |
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sy
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:22:40
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..It's up to them. Saddam Hussein is a criminal and to let him have weapons of mass destruction is a little too dangerous. After 9/11 many Americans take any threat very serious...Times have changed.
Have they really? I hope so. |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:24:44
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| bozden, the purpose of the link is not to show any interest for the markets, but to show the statement "Mr Powell reaffirmed on March 19th that the $6 billion was off the table." |
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Classicmotorcycling
Development Team Leader
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:26:02
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Doug,
Good to see an Aussie right in there at both ends...
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So is it just coincidence that the 3 countries with the troops on the ground are the only 3 countries where Rupert Murdoch & Newscorp have a major media presence?
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Heynow
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Posted - 22 March 2003 : 18:26:08
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
Disarm Iraq? the way it was being done. Every nation (no exception) having weapons is an equal threat to world peace.
Not all countries with these weapons are as much of a threat as Iraq.
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Don't just use one or two instances to call every one, who does not support War, a fool.
Here is what I said:
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These fools are blocking traffic which includes emergency vehicles that save lives...Where is the value? The protesters are fine, but these fools are just that.
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