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bmelcran
Starting Member
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 Posted - 29 April 2002 : 14:52:36
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eveyone is just not ready, at this point, to toss years of work into the garbage and start over.
The years of work would still exist. It has been my experience as a developer and analyst that the hard part, the part that takes the most time and effort, is creating a strong programming logic and interface. Writing code has proven to be the easiest part of any project I have worked on. I think proof of this is in all of the MODs that exist for Snitz. I haven't seen a single MOD that attempts to change the underlying logic of the application or the user interface. The MODs are all snippets of code that simply add useful (or not so useful) features to Snitz. The core remains unchanged because it is a strong base.
I applaud the Snitz developers and community for all of the work that has gone into developing an application that is easy to use and easy to customize. I think that the resources exist in the community to write the code to port the current app over to .NET.
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MAYBE, a .net version will be started on. but until then why dont you all give it a rest and just help improve this great forum instead of making the people working on this forum have to quit what they are doing to respond to all the .net questions.
I do not want to offend redbrad0 or anyone who shares this belief, but classic ASP is going away. No new development is going into classic ASP and support for it will begin to disappear shortly as MS is moving their strategy to the new framework (remember the shift from Windows 3.x to the Windows 95 paradigm?). It is not in their interest to sustain the old way, so we, the development community, need to adjust to the inevitable.
I agree that Snitz is a great forum and I want to see it succeed in the new generation, instead of being marginalized by being slow to react.
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davemaxwell
Access 2000 Support Moderator
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Posted - 29 April 2002 : 15:16:53
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I do not want to offend redbrad0 or anyone who shares this belief, but classic ASP is going away. No new development is going into classic ASP and support for it will begin to disappear shortly as MS is moving their strategy to the new framework (remember the shift from Windows 3.x to the Windows 95 paradigm?). It is not in their interest to sustain the old way, so we, the development community, need to adjust to the inevitable.
I agree that Snitz is a great forum and I want to see it succeed in the new generation, instead of being marginalized by being slow to react.
That would be news to my company that has a boatload of ASP work in the pipes and the state government, a microsoft partner, that is not moving to .NET anytime soon.
Latest and greatest does not always mean production stops on the older.
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nomad_2k
Junior Member
United Kingdom
173 Posts |
Posted - 29 April 2002 : 15:29:58
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One word cobalt. Nobody supports it any more (well almost nobody) but it's still there, and that won't change for a while. It's the same with asp.
I can't remember where I heard it but m$ had plans to convert the whole of microsoft.com (msdn, office the lot) to asp.net, it never happened. As far as I'm aware of the only part of m$.com that has been converted to asp.net is the office section.
And talking about operating systems look at NT4 Server. There are still a lot of companioes using NT4 even though m$ are trying to get everyone to move to 2K and XP when it arrives. ASP will go away eventualy 5 years at the earliest. (That last statement could be complete bullshit).
BTW could one of the admins add .NET to the bad word list on this forum . Not to offend all you .NET supporters out there but I'm getting a bit tired of all the "Snitz and ASP.net", "Where can I find aversion for ASP.net" etc etc...
Good things come to those who wait.
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bmelcran
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 29 April 2002 : 16:10:43
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One word cobalt.
I hear this type of argument in early adoption debates, too. But Cobalt is not really gone. Sun owns it and still markets it and is hiring testers for it as late as February.
I am not advocating for Snitz to stop supporting v3.3 at this time. Support for v3.1 is still on this forum though v3.3 is the current version. Many people will stay with 3.1 and 3.3 for a while to come. What I am hoping to see is development of a .NET version that old users could upgrade to and that is an endorsed Snitz product.
In these posts I have heard people say that if that's what I want, I should go develop it myself. This is already starting to happen (http://dotnet.azian.com) and the product is pretty cool. BUT, the .NET versions I am seeing are not compatible with the old databases (I admit I have only seen a few). I would hate to see Snitz fractionalized by people converting to other products that were spawned within this very community.
I truly think that ASP.NET has a lot to offer over classic ASP and that Snitz would be better (faster, more efficient, more scalable, even easier to modify) on the new framework.
Brad Mellen-Crandell
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redbrad0
Advanced Member
USA
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Posted - 29 April 2002 : 16:15:06
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BTW could one of the admins add .NET to the bad word list on this forum. Not to offend all you .NET supporters out there but I'm getting a bit tired of all the "Snitz and ASP.net", "Where can I find aversion for ASP.net" etc etc...
amen, or how about when they type in .net it pops up before it posts and says "dont post about us switching to asp.net we will someday, but if you want to learn more search these forums instead of posting"
Brad
Web Hosting with SQL Server @ $24.95 per month
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@tomic
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 29 April 2002 : 16:21:27
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I truly think that ASP.NET has a lot to offer over classic ASP and that Snitz would be better (faster, more efficient, more scalable, even easier to modify) on the new framework.
I don't think there has been a single post here that disagrees with that. But there are other issues to be taken into consideration. The truth is, Snitz could say ".NET sucks, let's move to PHP." There are plenty of options besides moving to .NET.
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bmelcran
Starting Member
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 29 April 2002 : 16:25:51
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BTW could one of the admins add .NET to the bad word list on this forum. Not to offend all you .NET supporters out there but I'm getting a bit tired of all the "Snitz and ASP.net", "Where can I find aversion for ASP.net" etc etc...
amen, or how about when they type in .net it pops up before it posts and says "dont post about us switching to asp.net we will someday, but if you want to learn more search these forums instead of posting"
Brad
Web Hosting with SQL Server @ $24.95 per month
If you're not interested in the discussion, why read it and participate in it?
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bmelcran
Starting Member
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 29 April 2002 : 16:35:42
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Sorry. My last comment was petty.
Edited by - bmelcran on 29 April 2002 16:36:06 |
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nomad_2k
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 April 2002 : 18:20:46
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Don't worry about it, the reason I posted is because I've never bothered there topics relating to .net and I thought I might as well put my 2p here.
Good things come to those who wait.
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redbrad0
Advanced Member
USA
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Aznknight
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 02 May 2002 : 17:29:20
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For my own curiosity, I'd like to hear what the problem is. If this coworker has only been dealing with .NET for a month, I'd be willing to bet the person really doesn't understand the capabilities fully. I've been grinding on it full time for four months now...and am just now getting a good grasp on it. Honestly, I can't imagine going back to classic ASP.
Al Bsharah
Jeepaholics Anonymous
I wholehearted agree with you jeepaholic, I can't imagine going back to classic asp now that I've been programming with it for the past 8 months. Many people new to .net always say, "I was able to do this and that this way in asp why can't I do it the same way in asp.net?" The thing is .net is a whole new paradigm, and once people work more with the .net framework and understand it better, they'll see the power and ease of programming it provides. IMO, .Net is a big step forward and the way to go.
As for snitz and asp.net, that's reinsnitz and the dev team perogative if they want to do a .net version now or not. Snitz is a pretty good product as it is. Besides, I think that in several more months, there will probably several forum/messageboard apps available in asp.net (maybe some will even be open-source), whether or not snitz becomes .net or not. Microsoft's gotdotnet will even release there forum code sometime soon.
- Alan
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Doug G
Support Moderator
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Posted - 02 May 2002 : 20:18:30
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You're not talking about www.godotnet.com are you?
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 02 May 2002 : 20:42:04
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sent www.godotnet.com an e-mail about their site... |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
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@tomic
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 02 May 2002 : 21:37:14
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He said it was a Microsoft site and that doesn't appear to have any affiliation with Microsoft. But then I can't read German.
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