| Author |
 Topic  |
|
im_no_scrub
Starting Member
USA
6 Posts |
 Posted - 22 April 2002 : 11:26:27
|
Many people, including myself, would LOVE to see an ASP.NET version of these forums (I'm sure you've all heard this before.) However, rebuilding these forums in a .NET platform is way more work than any one person can handle... would any one be interested in starting a group to get these forums converted to .NET (or at least make a .NET version available?) I'm kind of a .NET newbie right now but would like to help out where I can.
For those of you asking "Why would we want to do that?"... well, it's just my opinion that .NET is the future of ASP and we can do this now or we can do it later, but I'm pretty sure Mr. Billy Gates will make sure it gets done!  Sure, the first version might be crappy, but we've got to start somewhere. Although I'm finding the path to learning ASP.NET very frustrating, it is VERY cool and has lots of nice features.
Sincerely,
Todd M. Taylor |
|
|
Nathan
Help Moderator
USA
7664 Posts |
Posted - 22 April 2002 : 11:40:20
|
You will find this has been discussed several times.
The conclustion was there there will be an ASP.NET version of Snitz someday. . . but now is not the time.
 Nathan Bales
Snitz Exchange | Do's and Dont's |
 |
|
|
im_no_scrub
Starting Member
USA
6 Posts |
Posted - 22 April 2002 : 11:47:42
|
Nathan;
I did read through some of the other .NET related posts (some of which you were heavily involved in), but I'm wondering if "now" is not the time, when will the time be? Is it your thought that .NET is too new and there aren't enough "experts" to really make it work? I guess that would be my concern at this time.
However, I'd rather start developing a .NET version now rather than wait until a million new features get add which will only make the conversion more difficult 
I suppose I'm just antsy because I work for a 'bleeding-edge' company (or so we think) and we are trying to adopt .NET as soon as possible, and a .NET forum is on my list of things I need!
Sincerely,
Todd M. Taylor |
|
|
|
Nathan
Help Moderator
USA
7664 Posts |
Posted - 22 April 2002 : 12:05:43
|
Right now there are not enough .NET servers and ISPs avalible to even consider moving the product over. There are a great deal of ASP supporing webservers out there right now which means a great target audience for this software. There is probably not even .1% as many ASP.NET servers.
Supply and demand. There is still a big demand for an ASP based forum, so thats what will be focused on until the .NET demand is equal or bigger.
Perhaps when the .NET servers are released, there will be a larger percentage of servers and hosts supporting the technology, making a move to ASP.NET more feasable.
Nathan Bales
Snitz Exchange | Do's and Dont's |
|
|
|
Aaron S.
Average Member
USA
985 Posts |
Posted - 22 April 2002 : 12:19:25
|
And as has been mentioned before, everything will need to be rewritten from scratch.
If this is the case, why not just make your own forum... you can GPL it if you like, or keep the license for yourself.
--Aaron
MySubs Email MOD
MOD to Smile Mgr
HotKeys MOD |
|
|
|
bugzy
Junior Member
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 24 April 2002 : 22:16:25
|
tuan is working on a .net forum
you can check out the forum at
http://dotnet.azian.com
he should be releasing it as open source when its finished
if ya guys wanna help .. post up
------
www.azian.com |
|
|
|
DarkLight
Starting Member
USA
18 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2002 : 14:57:46
|
I started a modular forum project on sf.net that is based on HuWR's modded snitz forum (the look and function anyway)... We are in the beginning stages of splitting it into user controls and stuff. Come have a look if you want to help. :)
|
|
|
|
RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
16655 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2002 : 15:34:34
|
Just so you know. The forum that Huw has for download is still Snitz Forums 2000, as such, you can't just "convert" it and expect to be able to call it your own.
Why can't y'all start from scratch, instead of taking other people's work and changing it a little bit and passing it off as your own? |
|
|
|
redbrad0
Advanced Member
USA
3725 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2002 : 16:30:16
|
well i hate to say this, but i havnt been able to visit the forums that much lately and it seems that everytime i come there are posts about why isnt snitz going to .net, or why snitz will be outdated cause its not .net
come on guys give it a rest. you have all been given an answer. there are more important things to worry about then .net
as richard said AFTER some other features have been installed and everything is working smoothly then maybe, MAYBE, a .net version will be started on. but until then why dont you all give it a rest and just help improve this great forum instead of making the people working on this forum have to quit what they are doing to respond to all the .net questions.
if you want a .net forum, go look somewhere else or write your own
Brad
Web Hosting with SQL Server @ $24.95 per month
|
|
|
|
work mule
Senior Member
USA
1358 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2002 : 17:39:18
|
quote:
if you want a .net forum, go look somewhere else or write your own
Amen to that! 
(that deserved to be bumped)
|
|
|
|
redbrad0
Advanced Member
USA
3725 Posts |
|
|
DarkLight
Starting Member
USA
18 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2002 : 21:09:26
|
I'm well aware that the code won't just "convert" over. That is why we are starting from scratch with it. The only thing we're doing is making it look and function like snitz with HuWR's mods.
We are NOT taking other peoples' work and passing it off as ours. We are giving credit to HuWR and Snitz for the look and feel, but that is as far as it goes. The underlying code will be completely different so that it can take advantage of things like datagrids and datalists.
All of our VB is in the code-behind method so that the pages can be edited by NON-programmers. It will make the forum skinnable by anyone who knows a bit of HTML and can understand some simple user control (drop in module) ideas.
Granted, I understand why the Snitz team and a lot of others will still use the older ASP 2 and 3, but that doesn't mean we can't make something with ASP.NET at the same time. I agree with their choice to keep snitz forums at the 2 or 3 level right now. But, once ASP.NET has aged a bit and there are more hosts out there, it will be nice to have a base structure already setup that they can jump into when the time is right. That is my project's goal... To create the structure and keep up with the functionality as much as I can so that when the time comes it won't take a year or 2 or 10 to update/recode the whole thing. If this is a problem for anyone, tough, because I'm doing it and nobody can stop it.
|
|
|
|
work mule
Senior Member
USA
1358 Posts |
Posted - 26 April 2002 : 22:11:16
|
Well all I can say is Good Luck!
hehe...
A co-worker of mine has been working with .NET for at least a month now. Today I had the pleasure of hearing how something that was quite simple in regular ASP was presenting a challenge to him in .NET. I had a good laugh. 
Don't get wrong, I like some of the things I've seen and I look forward to working with .NET. But honestly I don't think it's "the end all be all" that some people seem to think it is.
I wish I could find the article, but I had read something that basically said that for some types of applications, we would be better off using traditional ASP instead of trying to make it work in .NET. Few would believe me, but website communities were one of them.
|
|
|
|
Jeepaholic
Average Member
USA
697 Posts |
Posted - 27 April 2002 : 02:46:35
|
For my own curiosity, I'd like to hear what the problem is. If this coworker has only been dealing with .NET for a month, I'd be willing to bet the person really doesn't understand the capabilities fully. I've been grinding on it full time for four months now...and am just now getting a good grasp on it. Honestly, I can't imagine going back to classic ASP.
Al Bsharah
Jeepaholics Anonymous |
|
|
|
bmelcran
Starting Member
USA
12 Posts |
Posted - 29 April 2002 : 13:00:01
|
quote:
A co-worker of mine has been working with .NET for at least a month now. Today I had the pleasure of hearing how something that was quite simple in regular ASP was presenting a challenge to him in .NET. I had a good laugh.
Comments like this are common from early adopters whenever a new technology comes out. It goes with the turf that technology changes and our programming paradigms must change also. .NET offers a lot of promise for the forums, whether Snitz converts or a chunk of the Snitz community breaks away to develop it on their own. With .NET you get new classes and controls that handle email, uploads, and validation. .NET integrates better with XML, which could be used in conjunction with SQL server's XML integration to make data access much faster and more efficient. The code-behind, using compiled rather than interpreted code, and the ability to code in vb.net or c#, would make .NET tons faster than classic ASP.
Long story short: im_no_scrub has got it right that .NET is the future of ASP which only means that classic ASP is starting down the road towards being obsolete. Refusing to believe it just means that Snitz will have to play catch-up later on.
|
|
|
|
@tomic
Senior Member
USA
1790 Posts |
Posted - 29 April 2002 : 13:08:21
|
quote:
Long story short: im_no_scrub has got it right that .NET is the future of ASP which only means that classic ASP is starting down the road towards being obsolete. Refusing to believe it just means that Snitz will have to play catch-up later on.
You say that as if the Snitz team and community has come out against .NET. I thought it was obvious that everyone is interested in it but that eveyone is just not ready, at this point, to toss years of work into the garbage and start over.
@tomic
http://www.skepticfriends.org |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
