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RichardKinser
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@tomic
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 Posted - 02 May 2002 : 22:50:09
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I can't believe I have never seen that site before. There's a new bookmark. Thanks!
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redbrad0
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@tomic
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Doug G
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Posted - 03 May 2002 : 00:46:56
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I believe they were talking about this site:
http://www.gotdotnet.com/
Thanks for the link, Richard.
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
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Posted - 03 May 2002 : 01:35:45
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work mule
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 03 May 2002 : 23:28:11
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Here's a good article about migrating ASP to ASP.NET:
Moving from ASP to ASP.NET Boosts an Application's Performance
http://www.aspnetpro.com/features/2002/05/asp200205mv_f/asp200205mv_f.asp
What language would a Snitz/ASP.NET project use? Whatever the developer of the day wanted, limited to one, or actually use whatever language was best suited to handle the problem at hand (who determines that)? 
Regardless of any of the talk about .NET, if you're going to be interacting with a database, learn SQL!!! If you're SQL queries were slow in ASP, they'll still be slow in .NET! If you don't know SQL and what's possible with it, it doesn't matter what language you use, the program will suffer! I think that many applications suffer not from lack of knowledge of the language, but from lack of proficiency with SQL.
Anyways, back to .NET and Microsoft, I honestly don't know...
It's just that as a Web Developer, I feel that over the past couple of years I've gotten the shaft from Microsoft with it's neglect of IIS/ASP(VBScript) and ignoring some of the basic needs that ASP developers had. ASP.NET is here now and while for some people it's a major advancement in web technology, for me it's part advancement and part catch-up to what other languages have already had.
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Comments like this are common from early adopters whenever a new technology comes out. It goes with the turf that technology changes and our programming paradigms must change also.
Yeah, okay.
The past year I've been using PHP for a couple of things and at times I dread having to go back into existing applications and write ASP code. After looking at PHP, it's unbelievable how much that language caters to web developers. I mean they have functions that were specifically built for web purposes. A few examples are:
htmlentities -- Convert all applicable characters to HTML entities
htmlspecialchars -- Convert special characters to HTML entities
nl2br -- Inserts HTML line breaks before all newlines in a string
strip_tags -- Strip HTML and PHP tags from a string
While they're simple, the fact remains that in ASP, all those functions (which we all use somewhere) have to be created by the developer in each and every application.
PHP programmers have had encryption, caching, xml support, ftp, mail all built right into the code and most of it's quite simple to use. Take a look at the built-in function call for mail:
mail("joecool@example.com", "My Subject", "Line 1\nLine 2\nLine 3");
C'mon, how much simpler does it get?! Call that function and presto, mail sent.
They've been able to make images on the fly, make PDF's on the fly, uploading images easily, etc for awhile and for free because it's an integral part of the language.
Oh and probably one of the biggest gripes - the dynamic include!! That's been available in PHP for years!!
I guess what irks me the most is that for any of the cool and/or useful features, as ASP developers, we've had to either buy it (which most of the time were .dll files and not an option for people hosting somewhere), write it (spend hours trying to do the impossible) or wait for the next version of ASP (how many years?). As an example, how long was it before a good script for uploading images was freely available to the public without requiring a COM/DLL? I know people have to get paid, but sometimes as an ASP developer, I feel like everytime I'm trying to do something new/different I can't unless I buy something from someone (except Snitz, baby!! ). Apparently I wasn't the only one because the COM business appeared to be thriving quite well.
Oh yeah, I know that now with ASP.NET it's compiled. Well PHP can be optimized, encrypted, accelerated, whatever your heart desires.
And another thing - cross platform...it's been said that .NET will be to some degree, but did you know that has been PHP cross platform? So it's possible to take your application and port it to a server running on a Mac, Linux, etc.
I apologize to all the .NET cheerleaders, but I just don't see ASP.NET as clearly being "The Solution" at this time. An option perhaps, but not the only one.
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seven
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Roland
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Posted - 11 June 2002 : 03:10:18
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sent www.godotnet.com an e-mail about their site...
It's been over a month and they still have this in their source:
<title>godotnet.com .. german . framework . community</title>
<meta name="copyright" content="Landkreisforum.de / inxus dev / Milan Kapetanov">
and this as the Alt text for the powered by logo:
<a href="http://forum.snitz.com"><acronym title="Powered By: inxus dev forum v1.01"><img src="logo_powered_by.gif" border=0></acronym></a>
Guess they don't care much for copyright and GPL 
Roland
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alex042
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Posted - 11 June 2002 : 08:57:42
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Snitz, or any other forum for that matter, could probably eventually be recoded to nearly any platform whether it be .net, php, jsp, cgi, or whatever scripting language chosen, and whatever it is, I personally don't really care as long as it does what I want it to do. And as long as the resources are available and I can edit the code, I'll learn what I need to learn to edit the code to get what I want it to do done.
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Nathan
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Posted - 11 June 2002 : 10:41:43
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Snitz couldn't be converted to .net. It could be made to run on a .net server. . .
To make a true .net forum though would practically require a from scratch re-right.
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seven
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Posted - 11 June 2002 : 12:22:57
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or, a better idea. maybe?
1st step, simply rename the files to the .aspx extension and keep
the base code the same (for now). Then just utilize some .Net
features that would make life easier.
I don't know, just a thought.
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Snitz couldn't be converted to .net. It could be made to run on a .net server. . .
To make a true .net forum though would practically require a from scratch re-right.
Nathan Bales
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seven
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Posted - 11 June 2002 : 12:30:11
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one more thought...
Plain and simple, this is a message board. The end user doesn't really care what language it's written in, most people that use the boards don't know if it's in .Net, ASP, or PHP except us nerds.
Keep Snitz in ASP until Microsoft (in their Evil empire ways)
comes out with an Internet Explorer that only supports .Net.
and if everyone is tired of hearing "Is there a version that is in
.Net" then why don't we create a forum category here for .Net and
let them stay in there?
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Nathan
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Posted - 11 June 2002 : 13:07:30
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1st step, simply rename the files to the .aspx extension and keep
the base code the same (for now).
Go ahead and try it.  
Nathan Bales
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pweighill
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