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TimSinnott
Starting Member
USA
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 Posted - 23 April 2002 : 22:53:46
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I've already installed Snitz Forums, as is, *inside* an ASP.NET web application, and everything works perfectly, without any changes.
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bugzy
Junior Member
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 24 April 2002 : 22:19:38
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maybe the guys at snitz are too busy to do it
but http://dotnet.azian.com has a under construction .net forum thats pretty good ...
he might release it for open source
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@tomic
Senior Member
USA
1790 Posts |
Posted - 24 April 2002 : 22:54:35
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That site is not exactly exciting. Just being .NET is not enough for us all to fall on our knees and shout hallelujah. Yes that sort of thing is the future but having an .aspx extension does not elevate you to godhood.
And you might think about not using Snitz icons 
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work mule
Senior Member
USA
1358 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2002 : 15:13:20
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There are still a few old geezers (even older than me) who are still writing apps in MS-DOS.
...and will still be writing them in the future.
How many people are still using batch scripts? I'm willing to bet quite a lot. There's still a lot of stuff that you can do with a good 'ol simple batch script without much effort. 
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ASP.NET is simply better and far more powerful than ASP.
So, granted it is, but doesn't mean you use a brick to kill a fly because it's harder when a flyswatter still works.
DVD's are clearly better than VHS, but people are still buying and using VHS tapes/movies. Ditto with cassettes.
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If the Snitz admins and contributors aren't willing to move forward with this major advance of technology, then in all likelyhood, Snitz will quickly loose its high position among forums applications.
Doubt it.
Some blindly go forward, while others are content and patient to wait.
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@tomic
Senior Member
USA
1790 Posts |
Posted - 25 April 2002 : 15:24:43
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I use batch scripts all the time with DTS. Talk about a simple solution to start up an FTP. It beats working 
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astronaut
Starting Member
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Posted - 13 May 2002 : 17:04:51
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That site is not exactly exciting. Just being .NET is not enough for us all to fall on our knees and shout hallelujah. Yes that sort of thing is the future but having an .aspx extension does not elevate you to godhood.
And you might think about not using Snitz icons
@tomic
http://www.skepticfriends.org
Perhaps you don't really understand the ASP.NET logic at all. The forum I am developing is not just a forum with .aspx extended files. It's soooooo much more than that. And I don't expect to be elevated to godhood. The icons are there as placeholders. They will be replaced once I'm done with it.
Here are some concepts that I've applied:
Forms Authentication
Role-based security
Stored Procedures
Custom Controls
User Controls
Datagrids + repeaters
XML databinding....
and a lot more. If you don't know what these terms are, I suggest you look them up. Because ASP.net has a lot to offer when compared to ASP. You only see the surface of the project, but if you delve into the code behind it, you'll see it's a different paradigm, and that the forum is not merely .aspx files.
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@tomic
Senior Member
USA
1790 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2002 : 18:45:33
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I fully understand all that. But when I visited your project it was actually slower than the Snitz site with virtually no online users and a tiny database. That doesn't exactly instill a sense of confidence in what you did under the hood. Just because you can do all the things you mentioned does not mean that that is, in fact, what's being done...and done well.
If you've improved it since I visited, that's great, but at the time the performance was so poor that my guess was that all that had been done was a change of extension. But my comments were not out of ignorance of what ASP.NET can do, they were more to do with what your forum was not doing given that it was ASP.NET
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astronaut
Starting Member
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Posted - 13 May 2002 : 20:29:17
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slow? perhaps it was the server that it's loaded on. I'm pretty sure the code is efficient. Well, let me know if it's still slow.
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@tomic
Senior Member
USA
1790 Posts |
Posted - 13 May 2002 : 20:56:34
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Yes, it could've been the server. It's hard to tell sometimes. But it was pretty slow, prompting my original post.
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DarkLight
Starting Member
USA
18 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2002 : 13:23:27
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Actually, merely changing the extension would break the forum completely. It is NOT possible to do that since much of the logic and the layout of how everything works is different. ASP.NET uses logic more like VBA and traditional VB (6) with updates. Building a web form is much like a cross between using MS Access to build a Data Access Page (only with a LOT more features) and making a Windows application form.
Actually, if you can make an ASP.NET (Web Forms) app, making the same app as a traditional windows (Windows Forms) app isn't that much harder to do anymore. That is one of the major reasons a lot of people are excited about it.
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the performance was so poor that my guess was that all that had been done was a change of extension. But my comments were not out of
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DreaMasteR
Starting Member
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Posted - 14 May 2002 : 21:01:42
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Snitz runs fine on .Net providers -
I'm using www.crystaltech.com on Plan 3, and it's humming along.
I'm going to be converting My forum over to .Net and If the kind folks at Snitz don't mind I'd be happy to post the changes I make.
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Nathan
Help Moderator
USA
7664 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2002 : 21:28:18
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Any changes you make would be of no good to us. If the dev team ever chooses to move to .NET it will be a totall rebuild. Likely from the database structure on up.
 Nathan Bales
Snitz Exchange | Do's and Dont's
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DreaMasteR
Starting Member
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Posted - 14 May 2002 : 21:55:59
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Sooo - I'm guessing that's a no then?
I've been working on rewriting the forum for about three weeks now - Please let me know If I will be able to use the forum when I finish, or will I be in some sort of violation if I use modded code.
if this is the case, I'll be stopping what I'm doing and just making my own forum.
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Nathan
Help Moderator
USA
7664 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2002 : 21:59:22
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Oh you can modify it all you want as long as the copyright info remains, you can even release it as a forum mod.
What I was saying is that I doubt any of your work would benifit the dev team if or when they decide to make an official .NET version.
Nathan Bales
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DreaMasteR
Starting Member
36 Posts |
Posted - 14 May 2002 : 22:04:17
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No benefit?
Heh, Ok - If it's no benefit, Then I suppose I'll just shift my focus.
Sorry to have bothered you.
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