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 Posted - 28 March 2002 : 21:36:47
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Hi LeoRat,
Have you seen Bozden's Start Internationalization Here post? It looks like the Japanese langauge file didn't make it through his LangPackManager in the UTF-8 format. Did you send him a Shift-JIS file too? Maybe the text encoding is the problem.
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Posted - 02 April 2002 : 04:35:03
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Hi LeoRat,
Have you seen Bozden's Start Internationalization Here post? It looks like the Japanese langauge file didn't make it through his LangPackManager in the UTF-8 format. Did you send him a Shift-JIS file too? Maybe the text encoding is the problem.
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I was unplugged for a while...and just came back. Will check Bozden's. No I sent only UTF-8.
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Posted - 02 April 2002 : 05:23:10
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Seahorse,
I sent a Shift-JIS encode version of 1041 (the latest, V4.03 compatible) to Bozden and also to you.
Hopefully this works for testing. The last test Bozden did before the current UTF-8 version was on SHIFT JIS, not on UTF-8 for V4.02 compatible version.
UTF-8 version is deployed at my sites.
Let me know if any additional works required here.
Taku
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Posted - 03 April 2002 : 00:17:09
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Seahorse,
A quick recap on LANG1041 status.
1. Shift JIS version passed a 4.03 compatibility test and also Bozden cleaned the file and repackaged. I got this Shift JIS version back from Bozden.
2. Shift JIS version returned was reviewed and modified/updated slightly in UTF-8 (re-)converted version to be compatible with a version running on my pilot sites, with minor typo corrections etc.
3. The latest and probably leanest Lang1041 are now installed and running at:
http://www26.brinkster.com/leorat2/forum/
http://www26.brinkster.com/i2asia/forum/
(I've been changing/updating a lot so you may have additional access/download performance issue with these Brinkster sites...I was having a lot of problems to be connected - yes, with my modem connection).
4. Remaining efforts will involve updating Shift-JIS version with a minor changes done after the test. This should not affect a compatibility issue with V4.03. Once this little housekeeping cleanup is done, I will either send Shift-JIS (final ver) to you or post it at geocities site for download.
BTW, I believe a test program Bozden probably is not configured to test unicode (UTF-8) but rather a local encoding file (comparing the source English 1033 langstrings and target lang 1041, where in unicode algorithm may not work the same way to do a validation on version checks, etc.). I could not do well with EUC so I will remain using UTF-8 (for multilingual deployment) for now, and doing some functionality checks.
Let me know whether you had any chance of checking the above demo forums.
Catch you later,
 
Taku
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Posted - 03 April 2002 : 22:50:32
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Here is a bit more update on LANG1041 JAPANESE.
(1) Latest JA version deployed at demo forums -
Lang1041 is cleaned little bit more and being re-installed,
with UTF-8 encoding - http://www26.brinkster.com/i2asia/forum/ -a HP with UTF-8 encoding;
and with SHIFT-JIS encoding - http://www26.brinkster.com/leorat2/forum -with a HP with Shift-JIS encoding.
You can check the latest Lang1041 in action and how Japanese are rendered in both encoding schemes. (Seem to be fine...)
(2) LANG1041 pack (R403, as of 04/02/02) posted -
JA language pack is posted (UTF-8, SHIFT-JIS, and EUC formats, with original Lang1041 buttons/images) in Test Forum of i2AsiaFORUM.
(EUC is not tested.)
Notes:
SEAHORSE & BOZDEN - This is a newer version of LANG1041 tested/passed by LANGManager on 4/1/02 with minor corrections/changes as noted before.
Best,
Taku
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Posted - 04 April 2002 : 03:21:03
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Here is a bit more update on LANG1041 JAPANESE.
(1) Latest JA version deployed at demo forums -
Lang1041 is cleaned little bit more and being re-installed,
with UTF-8 encoding - http://www26.brinkster.com/i2asia/forum/ -a HP with UTF-8 encoding;
and with SHIFT-JIS encoding - http://www26.brinkster.com/leorat2/forum -with a HP with Shift-JIS encoding.
You can check the latest Lang1041 in action and how Japanese are rendered in both encoding schemes. (Seem to be fine...)
(2) LANG1041 pack (R403, as of 04/02/02) posted -
JA language pack is posted (UTF-8, SHIFT-JIS, and EUC formats, with original Lang1041 buttons/images) in Test Forum of i2AsiaFORUM.
(EUC is not tested.)
Notes:
SEAHORSE & BOZDEN - This is a newer version of LANG1041 tested/passed by LANGManager on 4/1/02 with minor corrections/changes as noted before.
Best,
Taku
Seahorse,
A little bit more on Shift-JIS forum. Lang1033 is reset to the original CodePage: ISO-8859-1 (equiv of Latin 1, ASCII), and Lang1041 to CodePage: 932, which I understand is ANSI, default system locale set to Japanese (with Shift-JIS). The above zipped language packs have the commented out CodePage set to "65001 (using UTF-8)" which should not affect processing the file itself. In UTF-8, Lang1033 is also set to 65001, as required for formatting UTF-8. Anyway, i4Hawaii will prompt Shift-JIS, with both Japanese and English rendering with Lang selection with "Japanese" - in IE browser automatically set to Shift-JIS encoding to render/view. With lang slection with English-US, it default to English (ISO) and Japanese shows corrupted. However, if you set a broswer to Japanese (autoselect or Shift-JIS), you see a forum rendered both in English/Japanese. I do not have implemented a strictly language specific message display in the forum or sorting as there is not yet a lang mod support this type features/functionalities fully. I also tried to set one language forum with Lang1041 as a default but a forum layout didn't render correctly.
If you are to deploy only a Shift-JIS enviornment, there may be some issues to look at or have to wait for a future release with a lang mod.
Making some progress...
Taku
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Posted - 07 April 2002 : 02:28:26
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Hi all,
Broken link at http://www26.brinkster.com/i2asia/forum/
for a Lang1041 pack is fixed..
UTF-8/Shift-JIS Lang1041 in a zip file is there. Check FORUM Testing Corner for LANGPACK.
Best,
Taku
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Posted - 08 April 2002 : 22:56:45
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Hi All,
Some updatng info.
Lang1041 (Shift-JIS) passed LangPackManager version compatibility test for 4.03.003 (date: 4/1/02). However, this obviously did not mean the linguistic contents of Lang1041 are QA'd fully to be a release version. Since the test, I had been checking both Shift-JIS and UTF-8 formats on demo sites and continue to find some inconsistent or stylistic errors which became only apparent after reviewing on how they are displayed/represented/rendered in a web page. As of today, I installed new email components at the brinkster sites, which enabled to resolve the problems of invisible links for "Subscribe to a Topic", "Send to a Friend" and "Printer Friendly". After reviewing pop up windows for these, I found that I did need to make further contextual and syntax changes in Japanese.
(Yeap, we need a linguistic QA workflow for a language....if to make a process a bit more effective, with a common terminology/glossary for Snitz built... if to manage a localization process more effectively.....)
I finished these and deployed both UTF-8 format LANG1041 (at
http://www26.brinkster.com/i2asia/forum/)
and Shift-JIS format LANG1041 (at
http://www26.brinkster.com/leorat2/forum/)
This will wrap up this phase of Leorat's version of LANG1041.
Best,
Taku
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Posted - 29 April 2002 : 01:57:26
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Latest revision for Lang1041 is sent to Bozden today. This one reflects some minor changes/updates ( and also 1041.asp with 3 flavor of encodings: UTF-8, Shift-JIS, and EUC).
Taku
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Posted - 29 April 2002 : 23:55:28
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Some comments about different encoding versions:
Creating a Bi-lingual forum -EN/JA with different encoding schemes:
Here are something that I found by playing with my forums, which may be very obvious and basic to some, but I thought this is interesting:
- For UTF-8 format Lang1041:
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,0) = "1041" ' LCID Code<br>
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,1) = "Japanese (in JA)" ' Description of the language
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,2) = "UTF-8" ' HTML Content-Type charset definition to be used in <HEAD> tag
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,3) = "JAPAN|JAPAN" ' Country Name (for future use)
LANG1033: arrLang (intLangIndexCount,2) = "UTF-8"
inc_top.asp: right below the copyright statement, include:
%>
<meta http-equiv='content-type" content="text/html, charset=utf-8">
<%
- For Shift-JIS: Lang1041 -
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,0) = "1041" ' LCID Code
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,1) = "Japanese in JA" ' Description of the language
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,2) = "Shift-JIS" ' HTML Content-Type charset definition to be used in HEAD tag
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,3) = "JAPAN|JAPAN" ' Country Name (for future use)
No change in LANG1033
inc_top.asp, right below the copyright statement at the top, include:
%>
<meta http-equiv='content-type" content="text/html, charset=Shift-JIS">
<%
- "Japanese in JA" meaning Nihongo in Japanese chars in both utf-8 and shift-jis. At least for a bilingual forum (EN/JA), these two produce the same enviornment - except in different encoding scheme. If any additional languages added, it would need to be utf-8... Language selector box also shows proper Japanese in both cases...
By setting a default html charset, it can set to a default browser encoding..
Right click on a mouse to check a browser encoding, on a browser window (my case IE6.x), it shows a default encoding when automatic selection is set...utf-8 and shift-jis respectively...not bad.
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Posted - 30 April 2002 : 09:18:20
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There is a line in inc_top.asp which sets the charset...
"<meta http-equiv=""Content-Type"" content=""text/html; charset=" & strLangCharset & """>" & vbNewline & _
Where strLangCharset is set to arrLang (intLangIndexCount,2)...
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Posted - 30 April 2002 : 18:43:18
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There is a line in inc_top.asp which sets the charset...
"<meta http-equiv=""Content-Type"" content=""text/html; charset=" & strLangCharset & """>" & vbNewline & _
Where strLangCharset is set to arrLang (intLangIndexCount,2)...
Think Pink
==> Start Internationalization Here
Hi Bozden,
Thanks for pointing this out..yes, I realize this. A minor problem I am having is to have all language description defined, i.e.
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,1) = "“ú–{Œê" ' Description of the language
to be shown in its locale representation in a language selector box/menu.... Obviously, if LANGxxxx.asp is set to utf-8 (both locale and default, 1041 and 1033) and a default html charset is set to utf-8, regardless of a language selection, languages in a selector shows in its native/locale charsets... but to do this with locale charset definied (in ISO/ANSI), unless a browser encoding selection is done each time to see a page or a browser window, it does not show properly. So, if I use Shift-JIS for LANG1041 and ISO-8851 for 1033, a browser default to English and does not show a Japanese properly in a language selection menu, but only when I choose a broswer encoding with Shift-JIS, it will render properly in Japanese....
One workaround I tried is to set a default html charset in inc_tops.asp with Shift-JIS, additionally to the above mentioned code. Although I realize this is a duplicate of meta tag setting, it forces to make the top page where a language selector is defined to show Japanese ok. (Of course, a simpler approach is to leave this language description in English, so when a language selector is checked, all languages will appear in their English description..but preferably, all languages are to be represented in their native languages in a language selector regardless of a language selection...)
LR
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Posted - 30 April 2002 : 22:37:57
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There is a line in inc_top.asp which sets the charset...
"<meta http-equiv=""Content-Type"" content=""text/html; charset=" & strLangCharset & """>" & vbNewline & _
Where strLangCharset is set to arrLang (intLangIndexCount,2)...
Think Pink
==> Start Internationalization Here
Hi Bozden,
Thanks for pointing this out..yes, I realize this. A minor problem I am having is to have all language description defined, i.e.
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,1) = "“ú–{Œê" ' Description of the language
to be shown in its locale representation in a language selector box/menu.... Obviously, if LANGxxxx.asp is set to utf-8 (both locale and default, 1041 and 1033) and a default html charset is set to utf-8, regardless of a language selection, languages in a selector shows in its native/locale charsets... but to do this with locale charset definied (in ISO/ANSI), unless a browser encoding selection is done each time to see a page or a browser window, it does not show properly. So, if I use Shift-JIS for LANG1041 and ISO-8851 for 1033, a browser default to English and does not show a Japanese properly in a language selection menu, but only when I choose a broswer encoding with Shift-JIS, it will render properly in Japanese....
One workaround I tried is to set a default html charset in inc_tops.asp with Shift-JIS, additionally to the above mentioned code. Although I realize this is a duplicate of meta tag setting, it forces to make the top page where a language selector is defined to show Japanese ok. (Of course, a simpler approach is to leave this language description in English, so when a language selector is checked, all languages will appear in their English description..but preferably, all languages are to be represented in their native languages in a language selector regardless of a language selection...)
LR
Please ignore the above comments.
You are right Bozden.
Only thing that needed is to set lang code for 1033 to Shift-JIS and save it in Shift-JIS format. Now, with both 1033 and 1041 set to Shift-JIS (932), a language selector is showing Japanese in either mode. At least for this bilingual enviornment - English/JA, it does not really matter whether it is utf-8 or Shift-JIS. They are pretty much the same except encoding scheme.... I guess it works this way as Japanese contains basic English ANSI charsets...
LR
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