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aldebaran
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Spain
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 Posted - 17 February 2002 : 13:00:16
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aldebaran, how is your bilingual forums now. Please let me know if there is any wrong character displayed in the Spanish version of the above site. I noticed there is a "¿" symbol in front of every bulleted list in the FAQ of the Spanish version and wonder if it is a corrupted char.
Regards.
WebTranslator
The FAQ is right, in Spanish language the first char of a question is the char "¿", and like English the last char of a question is "?".
Congratulations by your web, it's very good.
Regards.
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Dixon
Starting Member
Australia
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Posted - 18 February 2002 : 06:40:05
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Hi LeoRat,
About the fonts problem in CJK: it is always the case as those fonts are not the same as the alphabet fonts. So we may need to further adjust them so that swapping from one language to another may not neccessarily affecting the other. The Simplified Chinese is just a conversion from the Traditional Chinese.
If you know of any other completed language that I have not placed in the above site please notify me so that I can add them in.
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Dixon
Starting Member
Australia
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Posted - 18 February 2002 : 06:43:42
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Hi aldebaran,
Thank you for the checking. Now I am relaxed that The Spanish page is correctly done.
Regards
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Posted - 18 February 2002 : 14:59:45
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Hi LeoRat,
About the fonts problem in CJK: it is always the case as those fonts are not the same as the alphabet fonts. So we may need to further adjust them so that swapping from one language to another may not neccessarily affecting the other. The Simplified Chinese is just a conversion from the Traditional Chinese.
If you know of any other completed language that I have not placed in the above site please notify me so that I can add them in.
WebTranslator
Hi Dixon,
I realize that. BTW I am not getting Chinese char representaiton in lang1028.asp when I open in NotePad to set utf-8 from Big-5, and am afraid it got corrupted. Is this because I don't have a Chinese language support for editing (in IE, of course, I have them)?
I didn't go through each page carefully and throughly but Japanese version is still awkard in some places - i.e. not natural. I cannot tell about Chinese although I understand some.
Also trying to get my mockup Japanese/English Forum on Brinkster and having file upload problems.... so my part of testing and QAing is bit halted, although it works great on a standalone PWS environment.
Your site shines...great stuff.
Best,
LeoRat
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seahorse
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 18 February 2002 : 20:26:53
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Hi Everybody,
I just got back from a week in the UK on business and was just catching up with the posts. I and saw Dixon's webtranslator's forum. Very nice.
The Japanese translation looks pretty much complete. LeoRat, I've reviewed your changes and they look fine to me.
Ken
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Posted - 20 February 2002 : 21:25:02
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Got my mockup JA/EN Forum uploaded to Brinkster...but Japanese coming out junk and no language selection box installed/appearing... Am assuming that Brinkster servers may not support double char/unicode encoding... any ideas? Only way I could open asp file is in their backdoor editor and obviously it does not show chars correctly...only thing I see is all corrupted. This suggests these files are corrupted when uploaded to the server.
Got stuck again.
LeoRat
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aldebaran
Starting Member
Spain
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Posted - 23 February 2002 : 14:56:04
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Hi everyone,
Today I have time to try on setting up a multilingual Snitz Forums for my site. I followed more or less the same steps as LeoRat and the readme.txt file had described and when coming to edit some values in the config.asp, inc_langMODS.asp and inc_langshort.asp, I realized that there is a variable on each langxxxx.asp file where I can set the charset for that language which in turn will be written into the meta tag of each webpage. So I just changed this line (about line 47) for the langxxxx.asp to use utf-8:
arrLang (intLangIndexCount,2) = "utf-8"
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Regards.
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I have the lang1034.asp with UTF-8 in this constant, but if I don't put the metatag in the page the Japanese chars are not showed correctly.
Regards.
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aldebaran
Starting Member
Spain
30 Posts |
Posted - 23 February 2002 : 15:00:42
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Hi,
Got my mockup JA/EN Forum uploaded to Brinkster...but Japanese coming out junk and no language selection box installed/appearing... Am assuming that Brinkster servers may not support double char/unicode encoding... any ideas? Only way I could open asp file is in their backdoor editor and obviously it does not show chars correctly...only thing I see is all corrupted. This suggests these files are corrupted when uploaded to the server.
Got stuck again.
LeoRat
I don't know. I had an account with Brinkster, but I don't use it now, because the system to upload files in Brinkster is very bad.
Regards.
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Posted - 23 February 2002 : 15:27:57
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I don't know. I had an account with Brinkster, but I don't use it now, because the system to upload files in Brinkster is very bad.
Regards.
I know. They don't have FTP so it's pretty bad - even for file size of approx.2.5MB it takes a long time to upload (5 files each)..But serves a purpose of testing... I have V4.03 JA/EN running on my local Win98/PWS standalone enviornment. Yes, I also started looking around for hosting services besides Brinkster.
Hope your Japanese/Spanish working fine?
Best,
LeoRat
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Posted - 26 February 2002 : 03:28:50
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Seahorse,
Am putting a "final" version up with a minor change again.
1041R1.3 downloadable from:
http://www.geocities.com/tosakko2001/lang1041/1041R1_3.zip
Please note 1041R1_3.zip naming rather than 1041R1.3.zip which is removed.
Am not sure whether this needs to be routed to Bozden (you'll do it????). Perhaps, I will forward this to Bozden from my side as well just in case? I don't think I will be doing any more of "fixing-upper" for a while - unless there are of course additional items coming up in new releases.....
BTW, setting Forum in the unicode (UTF-8) environment makes it a real nice "single" multilingual database (my case Access) but it will create a challenge in managing Forum as multiple mix of language topics will pop up in a single Forum... like you can see all language versions in whichever language you choose...
LeoRat
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Posted - 26 February 2002 : 07:23:12
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A mockup testing Forum for Japanese is running with the latest 1041 (QA'd 02/26/02). Other languages are also activated on the site (like Dixon's but not with Chinese, T.Chinese version I got somehow didn't install correctly even with utf-8 reformatting...so I cannot really have it tested).
You can check it at
http://www26.brinkster.com/leorat2/forum/
If Forum to be strictly for Japanese enviornment (or at least English/Japanese only) it should work with either Shift-JIS or EUC, I assume. Obvious benefits of using Unicode is for handling really multiple language sets...
LeoRat
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seahorse
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 26 February 2002 : 21:33:28
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Am not sure whether this needs to be routed to Bozden (you'll do it????).
Hi LeoRat,
Thanks for all of the hard work. The translating takes a while doesn't it? I really appreciate the effort you and Dixon put into cleaning up my initial translation. I'll forward the file to Bozden along with the graphics files. I don't think there will be many more changes until the next beta based on v3.4 comes out.
Regards,
Ken
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Posted - 28 February 2002 : 02:52:50
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Am not sure whether this needs to be routed to Bozden (you'll do it????).
Hi LeoRat,
Thanks for all of the hard work. The translating takes a while doesn't it? I really appreciate the effort you and Dixon put into cleaning up my initial translation. I'll forward the file to Bozden along with the graphics files. I don't think there will be many more changes until the next beta based on v3.4 comes out.
Regards,
Ken
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Hi Seahorse,
Glad to be able to make some contributions - and also of course, it helps my own interest in packaging BBS in multilingual environments. Bozden and others are also great in helping me out in further understanding Snitz and codes....Having a great learning curve here.
BTW, how are you going to handle Kansai-ben???
LeoRat
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Posted - 28 February 2002 : 18:32:20
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Seahorse,
I uploaded Shift-JIS lang1041.asp as well.
Reasons: Previous R1.3 is set to utf-8 (65001) within the file and code page is set to utf-8 in saving the file (saved as UTF8 file). All langxxx.asp (including English) were saved as utf8 fiels which were installed at i2AsiaForum (a production/testing site).
I just played with Shift-JIS Lang1041 but saved in a normal ANSI code (1251). This was installed along with English-US (code set to Normal ANSI)saved in Normal ANSI Code. I uploaded both to Brinkster, and run setup.asp and checked how it goes. They work fine. As long as it is "bilingual" it works well...meaning there is only one char encoding style used for "JA".
The site shows the previous unicode text showing naturally in unicode char rendering/representation, and Shift-JIS in shift-jis encoding ... two encoding schemes for a particular language cannot be displayed properly as noted before.
So, for implementing Forum in an orthodox approach of having a language specific web Forum page by language selection, it is fine...although there is still an issue of design to tie with a single multilingual database which obviously is the case with Snitz2000 (meaning, at present, Forum shows everything!!!! So if you have a mixed language combo of "national" encoding schemes, then, some shows up corrupted and have to go through switching of browser encoding option to view them correctly....and different browser render encoding slightly different, and so on...)
So, here is my 2 cents: for 1041 languge packs - as done for German, ideally it is good to have unicode version, shift-JIS version, Shift-JIS w/single byte support version, and EUC version prepared so that whichever encoding scheme visitors use in editing text/message can do that. Obviously, this confirms to a standard browser encoding selection, but will be defaulted to whatever encoding implemented in Forum.
As you asked for SHIFT-JIS, which obviously is the most common encoding scheme in Japan, it will make sense to pack different flavors of lang1041...
It's up in
http://www.geocities.com/tosakko2001/1041ShiftJ.zip
I haven't really checked through "compatibility" with post40b03patch003 but if you can verify, it will be good.
As for handling different flavors of particular language packs...should probably check with Bozden.
May send ShiftJIS version 1041 to Bozden as well.
leorat....
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