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corinaw
Starting Member

USA
22 Posts

Posted - 15 March 2006 :  20:11:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Podge!

Thank you so much for your work on this. I'd been fussing with another asp db sitemap generator, and I should have known to come here first. . ;)


PROBLEMS WITH DUPLICATE CONTENT:
FYI to all my friends at snitz forums, you should not submit duplicate pages (all printer friendly + forum topics + hot topics)to google. Once they determine a page is duplicate, best case they will eventually deindex the pages THEY select as dup,. Worst case, the page/site will be penalized. Personally, I would much rather control which pages are included, or NOT on my site, rather than google making the decision which to throw out- I think it is much better to submit only the forum_topics, as all the navigation and forum info is displayed on these primary pages.

Perhaps some of you have both the printer friendly and forum topics in google now, but according to google quality guidelines the search engines themselves don't want to index 2 of the exact same thing, this makes sense, right? Why have 2 exact copies of the same thing?

Here's some info on dup pages just fyi

Google webmaster quality guidelines: http://www.google.com/webmasters/guidelines.html
Discussion on the Google duplicate content filter http://forums.digitalpoint.com/showthread.php?t=2213
And other good discussion http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum3/22494.htm

Because of this I have commented out the following sections of the code:

'xml = xml & "<url><loc>" & strForumURL & "pop_printer_friendly.asp?TOPIC_ID=" & Topic_ID & "</loc><lastmod>"& ISO8601Date(Topic_Last_Post) &"</lastmod><changefreq>daily</changefreq></url>"
'xml = xml & "<url><loc>" & strForumURL & "topic~TOPIC_ID~" & Topic_ID & ".asp</loc><lastmod>"& ISO8601Date(Topic_Last_Post) &"</lastmod><changefreq>daily</changefreq></url>"

The duplicate pages will honestly not help you and besides what I mention above, will totally suck bandwidth processing when it tries to pull every single iteration of your valuable forum content.

My 2 cents.

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wildfiction
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167 Posts

Posted - 17 March 2006 :  17:45:22  Show Profile  Visit wildfiction's Homepage  Reply with Quote
corinaw has some good points there. I had already done that with sitemap code and should have posted it here with those same comments. But it's not to late to help others with another tip. Put a lot of the forum pages into the robots.txt file. For example, you don't want google indexing the post.asp page. This is what my robots.txt file looks like for the forum:

User-agent: *
Disallow: /*.mdb$
Disallow: /forum/policy.asp
Disallow: /forum/register.asp
Disallow: /forum/members.asp
Disallow: /forum/active.asp
Disallow: /forum/subscription_list.asp
Disallow: /forum/search.asp
Disallow: /forum/pop_profile.asp?mode=Edit
Disallow: /forum/pop_profile.asp
Disallow: /forum/faq.asp
Disallow: /forum/password.asp
Disallow: /forum/post.asp

That will also reduce the penalties that you receive from Google. Are there any others that people would recommend including in this list?<
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corinaw
Starting Member

USA
22 Posts

Posted - 18 March 2006 :  00:35:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi Wildfiction,
Yes you are right. There is much more to this than just sitemaps. I took the harder route and added nofollow to most of those links when I should have just nuked in robots.txt. This is why information sharing in a forum is so great. There is absoletely no reason why any se should try to index search.asp, password.asp, etc.

I considered not indexing policy.asp and faq.asp, but chose to leave it in. Why? Think in terms of trust.

Google supposedly has a list of factors they eval for "trustrank" or how trustworthy the site is. (This is NOT the same as page rank) Things like having a privacy policy, physical address, phone number and either an email name or contact us page have been discussed on the seo forums I basically live in. Of course I do not know exactly what they look at but having a faq and policy listed on a forum is a good thing (It's professional IMO), so if including this/allowing the se's to see I have these pages bumps up even one of my forum posts by 1 because my site "appears" more trustworth or professional I'm going to do it.

I don't know this for a fact, of course. But if you consider that se's look at 100's of factors in ranking your pages, this does make sense.

These are the other pages in the main sitemap code I disallowed. Active because it is dup. Members becasue you need to be logged in to view, (why index anyway) and then search as I mentioned before, no content on the page.

'xml = xml & "<url><loc>" & strForumURL & "active.asp</loc><lastmod>"& member8601Date(now(), 1) &"</lastmod><changefreq>daily</changefreq></url>"
'xml = xml & "<url><loc>" & strForumURL & "members.asp</loc><lastmod>"& member8601Date(now(), 1) &"</lastmod><changefreq>daily</changefreq></url>"
'xml = xml & "<url><loc>" & strForumURL & "search.asp</loc><lastmod>"& member8601Date(now(), 1) &"</lastmod><changefreq>daily</changefreq></url>"


Now I've got to run back to my site and do some disallowing!

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ispanyolcom
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Mexico
78 Posts

Posted - 27 March 2006 :  05:47:21  Show Profile  Visit ispanyolcom's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14'

[MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-4.0.18-nt]You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '10 T.TOPIC_ID, T.T_LAST_POST FROM FORUM_TOPICS T, FORUM_FORUM

/evcilforum/sitemap.xml.asp, line 79

http://www.ispanyol.com/evcilforum/sitemap.xml.asp<
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Podge
Support Moderator

Ireland
3775 Posts

Posted - 27 March 2006 :  06:56:41  Show Profile  Send Podge an ICQ Message  Send Podge a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
MySql isn't supported at the moment. Have you tried the two changes listed at the top of this page (1st and 3rd post) ?<

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corinaw
Starting Member

USA
22 Posts

Posted - 28 March 2006 :  17:53:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here is a post made on a SEO (search engine optimization) forum about duplicate content penalties.

http://forums.site-reference.com/topic/1616/Pagerank-0/

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Podge
Support Moderator

Ireland
3775 Posts

Posted - 29 March 2006 :  12:17:19  Show Profile  Send Podge an ICQ Message  Send Podge a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I will disable the duplicate content by default.<

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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin

Portugal
26364 Posts

Posted - 09 June 2006 :  11:52:00  Show Profile  Send ruirib a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Podge,

I have changed the file to work with MySQL. Would you want me to email it to you so that you can add it as an option?
Also, if I got this right, one needs to execute this regularly and resubmit to google once that update is done?

Thx.<


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Podge
Support Moderator

Ireland
3775 Posts

Posted - 09 June 2006 :  12:42:59  Show Profile  Send Podge an ICQ Message  Send Podge a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Email it to me and I will upload it.

To use it, you have to open an account with Google and add the url as a sitemap. Google then download it every so often, no need to re-submit.

Personally I don't think that Google views printer friendly pages as duplicate content. For example, when spidering a vBulletin forum, Google will regurlarly index the thread page, printer friendly page and each post individually.<

Podge.

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ruirib
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Portugal
26364 Posts

Posted - 09 June 2006 :  12:51:28  Show Profile  Send ruirib a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Ok, emailed it.

Thx for the info.<


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san_dady_cool
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India
8 Posts

Posted - 22 June 2006 :  15:10:18  Show Profile  Visit san_dady_cool's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a000d'

Type mismatch: 'recActiveTopicsCount'

/sitemap.xml.asp, line 94


I had a huge list of topics on my forum, recently I deleted all the topic except important few, but now sitemap.xml.asp shows above error!

is this normal? please help thank you<

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Podge
Support Moderator

Ireland
3775 Posts

Posted - 22 June 2006 :  15:52:32  Show Profile  Send Podge an ICQ Message  Send Podge a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
What is your forum url ? Are there any empty forums ?<

Podge.

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SnapperL
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24 Posts

Posted - 29 July 2006 :  20:52:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
hi, I tried to run this however I get the following error

Microsoft OLE DB Provider for ODBC Drivers error '80040e14' 

[MySQL][ODBC 3.51 Driver][mysqld-4.0.27-max-log]You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near '500 T.TOPIC_ID, T.T_LAST_POST FROM FORUM_TOPICS T, FORUM_FORUM 

/forum/sitemap.xml.asp, line 79


could someone send me the mysql version?
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Edited by - SnapperL on 29 July 2006 21:04:15
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Podge
Support Moderator

Ireland
3775 Posts

Posted - 30 July 2006 :  08:16:40  Show Profile  Send Podge an ICQ Message  Send Podge a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Its here<

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SnapperL
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Posted - 01 August 2006 :  04:29:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks Podge!<

This account was hacked into by Image, a very honest guy as you all can see! Stealing people's passwords is his pasttime. Beware of this, before you register at his forums!
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