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cripto9t
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USA
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 Posted - 07 December 2003 : 11:33:30
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Hopefully next time there is an international crisis people will think before they alienate certain non-American users and developers of this forum.
This crisis is far from over  .< |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 16:19:15
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However when those that actually manage the site promote one particular political stance and devalue people who can’t support that stance, as if the "objections by a few[!]" who apparently do not "honor and respect the selfless[!] sacrifice" are somehow less welcome or valued, then I think that verges on discrimination.
Maybe if you read all this stuff zeth, you would realise that the flags were there to support the troups, it was not a statement of political intent, if certain people decide they wish to interpret any other way then that is their problem, but we have made it quite clear why the flags and ribbons are there.< |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 16:50:18
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Originally posted by zeth
I think we have to call it a draw and agree to disagree on the flags etc (...)
Looks good to me .
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(...) but I am pleased that you have listened to me and were willing to discuss it. Thankyou.
No need to thank me, I always try to do that.
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gDewar
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 19 December 2003 : 11:36:56
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I also wish the best for our troops and their safe return.
I'm glad to see that someone balked at the tenor of the beginning of this topic. I take great exception to the idea that support for the Commander-in-Chief is necessary to support our troops. An American patriot who truly loves our troops should want to make sure they are not over-extended, and that American blood is never spilled without due cause.
I am happy to see the dictator ousted, but, as a patriot, I am concerned that the Commander-in-Chief seemed to me to be very careless in his implementation, and appears to me not to take our soldiers lives seriously.
Further, I think it is disingenuous to use our troops to advance a political goal, especially when that same Commander-in-Chief cut combat pay before the war and veterans benefits during the war. We may disagree on many uses for our tax dollars, but I would hope it would go without question that if we ask men and women to risk their lives for the Republic, they also deserve our support when they return.
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"The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the nation as a whole. Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly as necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile. To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else."
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b17sam
Starting Member
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Posted - 20 December 2003 : 00:14:09
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| I trust this will be taken in the right spirit ---- It is all too easy to pay lip service by waving the flag and posting messages supporting the troops, but a visit to a veteran in a VA hospital would be truly beneficial, especially in this season. You will feel glad you did. Check my site at www.b17sam.com for link to VA facilities located near you and other information. --- B17sam, veteran of 35 missions, 9Sept44 (Ludwigshafen) to 3Feb45 (Berlin) Free beer tomorrow at www.b17sam.com< |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 20 December 2003 : 17:25:36
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Originally posted by HuwR
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Maybe if you read all this stuff zeth, you would realise that the flags were there to support the troups, it was not a statement of political intent, if certain people decide they wish to interpret any other way then that is their problem, but we have made it quite clear why the flags and ribbons are there.
But why there isn´t a german flag? We´ve got also troups in Kuwait and also in Afghanistan...
If this is only to support the troups in their war against terror, there should be a flag of every country which sends troups.
But: if it is a support for a political opinion, then I say, that those flags are not amusing, because George Bush and Tony Blair are liars and the war against iraq was only becaus of lies!
The best thing would be to drop those flags. If a single person would like to support a troup he can drop those flags out of his windows or somewhere else, but in a forum where are surely also people from Afghanistan and Iraq work, there shouldn´t be something like this...< |
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dayve
Forum Moderator
USA
5820 Posts |
Posted - 20 December 2003 : 17:42:11
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| Everyone keeps forgetting this is a privately run website where the webmaster can elect to do whatever he pleases.... PERIOD. On the other hand, you have every right to not visit this site if you don't want to, that is the "free" choice you can make.< |
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Classicmotorcycling
Development Team Leader
Australia
2084 Posts |
Posted - 20 December 2003 : 18:45:38
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Exactly what I keep saying on my site.quote:
Originally posted by dayve
Everyone keeps forgetting this is a privately run website where the webmaster can elect to do whatever he pleases.... PERIOD. On the other hand, you have every right to not visit this site if you don't want to, that is the "free" choice you can make.
I run my site privately and I have the right to say what is on it or not and the people who do not like it, have the right to not visit.
I am not political at the best of times, but I do believe that the 4 flags in the logo were the first countries to publicly declare the war on terrorism as no other country had the guts to do so.
There is also more than President Bush and Prime Minister Blair. There is President Aznar of Spain and Prime Minister Howard from Australia that also had the guts to do something to make the world better along with President Bush and Prime Minister Blair.
Go Reinsnitz and keep promoting the great work that these 4 countries started, and now most of the world leaders are embracing.
My 2 cents worth… 
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Ryan
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 20 December 2003 : 19:24:23
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Well said David and dayve! I agree with you both 100%  < |
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MarkJH
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 December 2003 : 04:10:59
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David, I think that third flag in the logo is not that of Spain, it is of Iraq.
Yes, that is correct, it is the Iraqi flag.< |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20584 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2003 : 04:16:28
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Dynamix, Alfred and Mindcontrol
This topic is not a place for you to discuss the merits of the US president or the stupidity of Americans for voting for him, so please refrain from doing so, we have no interest in what you think of George Bush, this topic is for and about the people who fought, not for their respective political leaders and what you think of them.< |
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Mindcontrol
New Member
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Posted - 21 December 2003 : 12:53:35
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| Your right HuwR we all love one sided conversations, as long as it's our side. I will not participate in the conversations of this board no longer. I thought it was based in The "United States of America" where "WE" have free speech. Hiel George Bush.< |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20584 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2003 : 13:45:37
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Originally posted by Mindcontrol
Your right HuwR we all love one sided conversations, as long as it's our side. I will not participate in the conversations of this board no longer. I thought it was based in The "United States of America" where "WE" have free speech. Hiel George Bush.
It has sod all to do with sides, just read what I said. And then read Mike's initial post.< |
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 21 December 2003 : 14:07:03
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Originally posted by Dynamix
But why there isn´t a german flag? We´ve got also troups in Kuwait and also in Afghanistan...
If this is only to support the troups in their war against terror, there should be a flag of every country which sends troups.
There may be German troops there now, but there wasn't in the beginning when it really mattered.
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Originally posted by Dynamix
But: if it is a support for a political opinion, then I say, that those flags are not amusing, because George Bush and Tony Blair are liars and the war against iraq was only becaus of lies!
You are entitled to your opinion, buy you really need to make sure you represent it as such. Especially since your opinion is totally wrong. The war in Iraq was not based on lies. You may disagree with the war, but don't try to pass your opinions off as facts.
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Originally posted by Dynamix
The best thing would be to drop those flags. If a single person would like to support a troup he can drop those flags out of his windows or somewhere else, but in a forum where are surely also people from Afghanistan and Iraq work, there shouldn´t be something like this...
It is not up for discussion.< |
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