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Roland
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 Posted - 04 June 2003 : 13:03:01
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are all of the troops home yet? 
Dutch troops (probably other countries' troops too) are going to/are in Iraq too, for peace keeping or something. If the flags stay in the logo, and that's your arguement for keeping them, I'd suggest addition of the flags of other countries that help in Iraq too.< |
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ruirib
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techknow
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Posted - 19 September 2003 : 01:00:13
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God Bless America and her allies!
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kimvery
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Posted - 03 October 2003 : 00:06:01
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11 years of service in the Navy and a Gulf War Veteran here and the oath I took then stands firm withme to this day even as a civilian. I support the troops and wish them a safe and quick return.
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zeth
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 December 2003 : 20:09:42
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I think in retrospect all this flag waving, jingoism and American nationalism was a mistake and wasn’t respecting of those on the other side of the political divide. I'm here because I like your ASP forum not because I want your political views forced on me. Hopefully next time there is an international crisis people will think before they alienate certain non-American users and developers of this forum.
Now I hope we can put all this behind us and we can all work together to make the best ASP forum for all people everywhere.
Thankyou.< |
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dayve
Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - 06 December 2003 : 21:29:28
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Bookie
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Gremlin
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New Zealand
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 02:29:34
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Originally posted by dayve
how is that alienating you? please, get over yourself.
I guess its hard to understand how/why unless your on the other side of the fence Dayve. Everyones entitled to their opinion.< |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 05:16:22
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I don't really think someone in the uk can be considered to be on the other side of the fence, but yes everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
But, how can the flags be considered 'American nationalism', when I went to school, Britain and Australia were not in America. What does zeth thing we should do? place an al-quieda flag there too ?< |
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zeth
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 07:35:30
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What does zeth thing we should do? place an al-quieda flag there too ?
That is such a puerile comment that I will ignore it. Equating those who questioned the war in Iraq with al-Queda supporters is defamatory.
I understand that a site that has an active community behind it can and should discuss issues that affect our lives, even if it is strictly off topic. I also understand that a forum that talks about a forum for talking should have free speech and no censorship.
However when those that actually manage the site promote one particular political stance and devalue people who can’t support that stance, as if the "objections by a few[!]" who apparently do not "honor and respect the selfless[!] sacrifice" are somehow less welcome or valued, then I think that verges on discrimination.
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 08:24:19
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I don't really think someone in the uk can be considered to be on the other side of the fence
Isn't that a little Naïve though ? Just becuase I live in a country doesn't mean I'm a citizen of it.
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 09:28:28
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Originally posted by zeth
I understand that a site that has an active community behind it can and should discuss issues that affect our lives, even if it is strictly off topic. I also understand that a forum that talks about a forum for talking should have free speech and no censorship.
There is no censorship here, I've never seen it myself. There are many ways to manifest an opinion, and I've never seen anyone manifesting its opinion in a civil manner being censored.
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However when those that actually manage the site promote one particular political stance and devalue people who can’t support that stance, as if the "objections by a few[!]" who apparently do not "honor and respect the selfless[!] sacrifice" are somehow less welcome or valued, then I think that verges on discrimination.
I saw no devaluation of anyone in this topic. In fact, I saw a show of respect and gratitude for the soldiers that would be fighting in Iraq being labeled in a not so a polite manner. So, please remember you need two to tango.
These discussions always bring passionate interventions. People should remember that it's always possible to disagree with whatever you wish and still be able to discuss the issue without name calling to the others who think differently.
I also think that with matters like this at stake, there is simply no way to stay clear of the fray, it's almost a civilizational matter. That's why I understand why the flags came into the forum, even if many people dislike it. This being a private space, you can choose to come regularly and disagree or stay away altogether. Freedom means precisely that you have the right to choose what you do, among the many options available.< |
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zeth
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 10:00:43
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| I think we have to call it a draw and agree to disagree on the flags etc, but I am pleased that you have listened to me and were willing to discuss it. Thankyou.< |
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zeth
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 10:05:42
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cripto9t
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 07 December 2003 : 11:09:26
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Originally posted by zeth
I think in retrospect all this flag waving, jingoism and American nationalism was a mistake and wasn’t respecting of those on the other side of the political divide.
Zeth,you can put your blinders on and go through the rest of your life while others fight and die in this war and the other wars to come. I'm sure the ones that make it back will appreciate the nice forum you've been working on.
I live near Ft.Cambell Ky. and around here the soldiers kinfolk hang yellow ribbons and veterans wave flags. They all hope that the young soldiers that leave here come back alive, not in one of the flag draped coffins that we see almost daily around here.
In the U.S. there is no "political side of the fence" when it comes to supporting our troops at war. I served with British soldiers when I was overseas, and I'm sure most of Britians' political parties feel the same about your troops. I emphasized that because the most important person to your way of life right now isn't the guy giving a speech in parlament It's the one in the middle of Iraq, sitting on a cot, knocking bugs off his lunch and wishing he had a shower. I'm sure you can find a few WW2 vets that will back me up on that statement.
I don't mean to be hard and I normally wouldn't even consider replying to a political statement. I'm an Army veteran of 6 yrs, I've never seen war but I was there just in case. You can say whatever you want about the U.S. You can even kick one of our flags around and set fire to it. That don't bother me, because I know alot of your countrymen have stood and fell in many battles, many wars, just for your simple right to do these things. However, when you mock the faith the American people have for thier troops by calling it nationalism, well I can't let that pass.
Well I've said enough. I'm late raising my flag. It's only going up half staff today, for some American service men and women that I will never know, but will always remember.
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