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JJenson
Advanced Member
USA
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 Posted - 21 December 2007 : 10:09:15
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Basically I am trying to set up a home host. I have some really big sites I am working on right now and they basically want me to handle everything.
My current host doesn't offer dedicated and I just am thinking I want full control to be able to handle anything that goes wronge.
My question is what all do I need to set everything up?
I know I need an internet connection. How fast would I need it?
Also I know I need to get equipment so what would your suggestions be for running about 10 sites with 2 of those sites getting about 100,000 hits per day using search features and so forth?
Thanks for all the suggestions I am new on the hosting end but I really want to be able to offer my clients everything they want.
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20595 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 13:11:40
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| if you want to host sites with those numbers of hits, you need at least a 2MB upload rate otherwise you will max out your connection at busy times |
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JJenson
Advanced Member
USA
2121 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 13:29:28
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Thats good cause I will have the 2MB up.
Will I be able to host multiple sites that have that kind of load or just 1? |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20595 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 13:42:17
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| it should be ok for multiple sites, your biggest problem is likely to be if any of the sites host large files for download as this can choke up your bandwidth significantly |
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JJenson
Advanced Member
USA
2121 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 13:46:26
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| There is no downloading but there is going to be an app that basically is like a Adobe Fireworks online. BUt I am guessing this really won't take up bandwidth unless they are uploading to the site. Is that assumption right? |
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JJenson
Advanced Member
USA
2121 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 15:19:29
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Thanks Huw I think I am going to go buy the stuff to build it this weekend. I should be able to get it all put together hopefully  |
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balexandre
Junior Member
Denmark
418 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 16:55:17
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JJenson:
Hosting is not for home users ... when HuwR mention that u need 2Mb upload ... this is almost right, u reply saing that " Thats good cause I will have the 2MB up. "
I will be plain with you, and use non-technical words, because I don't know your degree of understanding on what I just wanna point, and for your question, I will only go for the basic:
You are forgetting one important thing in the world of communication's I tend to believe that you have a xDSL line / Cable Line with that amount of speed ... did you ever wonder why you never get to Upload files or sometimes just the opposite, Download files from really High-Speed websites such as Microsoft (they have 500Mb Upload lines) at the speeds of 200Kb/s while your line and what are you paying for is 2Mb Download line???
something wrong right?
Why having a 2Mb download line you can't get more than 200Kb !!??? weird! but this is actually true, YOU WILL NEVER GET MORE THAN 15-20% of the line you got (This applies only for cable and xDSL connections off course, been cheap I go for this is what you probably say that "I will have the 2Mb") here in Denmark we have 25Mb/25Mb ... but, the real upload and download speed never reaches 3Mb
so, please See the 2Mb line as a 200kb Upload line, and been xDSL/Cable, it's a shared node, so if someone screw your node up... you will loose bandwidth along with that and sometimes you will even loose any connection to the www.
Why... u wonder.
That's where the technical part cames along I will leave this so you can search and find yourself such answers because it's really technical I as I said, don't know your degree of understanding.
just thing for a while... with the computer prices so low, if was all about that to Host websites, everyone will do it, and by the way... never forget a backup system for all your data, you will be expose the server into the Web... protect!
Hosting companies spend most of the money in Dedicated connections, calld Tx (T1, T2 for example), that is a connection from that office directly to the main backbone in the ISP, no sharing, no narrow bandwidth, you buy 2Mb you will have 2Mb at your service!
just to have an idea, as an IT Manager of a company I spend our entire budget for a year in a HDLC connection that is the same as a dedicated line in with diferent things... (more tech stuff) of 256Kb/s (WOW... that a stupid low connection you might add) ...
that 256Kb/s line hold 15 PC's all connected and navigate to pages really fast all at once, try the same with your 2Mb connection and multiply...
if 256Kb/s = 15 PCs
then 2048Kb/s = 120 PCs
try that 
Best solution to you... get a VPS (Virtual private Server).
you get 90 days return money back in some servers, use it as a trial period, if your not happy, buy your own machine with Legal Software and sent to a Web Farm, they will put your machine online, along with High Speed Lines and you get to pay less money and have your PC just for you as a dedicated server.
I know the text is to long, but hope it helps you realize where are you going.
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Bruno Alexandre
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"a Portuguese in Danmark"
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JJenson
Advanced Member
USA
2121 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 17:41:40
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Thanks Balexandre;
I have tested connections and my down speeds test consitently over 8mb down and right about 2mb up I have tested this several times know that this usually is the case on speeds in which you speak of. I have also look into t1 and t3 lines but a t3 line is out of the question with it starting at a price of around 3k.
I understand what you are saying but my speeds are consistenly check and rechecked. With the web farms or server colocations as they are called here cost somewhere in the range of $400 per month around here per server. I would need dedicated ones as well as shared ones this would get very expensive and honestly I would lose money so this is not an option.
With running it myself I can make some money on these deals as well as have full control over everything. I thank you for your concerns but I figure all these hosting companies probably started out the same way so if I can make it work I think I owuld much rather do it myself that let somewhere else do it.
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pdrg
Support Moderator
United Kingdom
2897 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 17:45:50
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| Yep, just to chip in, that 2Mbps may well be 'contended' (ie shared), and there's a lot of work in maintaining a server, UPS, generator, firewalls, leased-line (T1, etc), service packing, etc etc - it may be easier to just change host... |
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Doug G
Support Moderator
USA
6493 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 17:46:55
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Don't forget to check with your ISP and verify they don't block http and any other ports you'll need for your server.
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JJenson
Advanced Member
USA
2121 Posts |
Posted - 21 December 2007 : 19:53:51
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| Thanks for the input I will make sure to check it all out. |
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gary b
Junior Member
USA
267 Posts |
Posted - 27 December 2007 : 07:12:22
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Let me add another 'Oh, s***!"... Your connection to the Internet is (I assume) by ISP. That communications circuit is *shared* by many others. What do you think your ISP will do if your usage starts to 'hog' the bandwidth?? One complaint by someone and the ISP *could* take one of many actions (throttling your account, termination of service, and such). And remember... many (most?!?) ISPs have a clause in their agreement that says you will NOT maintain servers on your connection! You better check your ISP agreement.
Based on my experience, I would discourage you from this path. Before you spend money for equipment, you need to reconsider this action. How many "active" websites are hosted on ComCast subscriber connections? Thousands? Hundreds?? Perhaps there is a reason why there are only a handful (guessing here) of 'illegal' such sites.
Go with a commercial host...
gary b
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AnonJr
Moderator
United States
5768 Posts |
Posted - 27 December 2007 : 07:27:12
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gary, there are some ISPs that offer "Business Class" just for this sort of thing. I thought about doing this myself, but I'm not home most of the day so if there was a problem there could be a big chunk of downtime...  One of the guys I work with at the hospital is doing this, but he's got a fractional T3 and family that is home when he is not. |
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JJenson
Advanced Member
USA
2121 Posts |
Posted - 27 December 2007 : 09:56:07
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I actually would have a business class connection with dedicated ip's Also they say that they gurantee the connection so in essence the connection isn't the issue for me on this. Its more the hardware end. I have called in and talked with the company to make sure I can do what I want to do.
Also I work about 3 mins from home so if something happend I could be there in minutes. I really think I want to start learning this end of the web arena. BUt thanks for the suggestions I do understand the worry there is. Keep them comiing cause it makes sure I am checking my back on this.
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Biddyman
Starting Member
32 Posts |
Posted - 27 December 2007 : 12:07:53
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| Sometimes a dedicated server at hosting service can be cheaper. Hardware failure repairs are paid by them as well as the bandwith. Not advertising, but I think it was 1and1.com that I got an email from that has a special. A motorcycle forum I belong to shares the dedicated server with another forum to help with cost. I think its something like 2,500 gb bandwidth from 1and1. |
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JJenson
Advanced Member
USA
2121 Posts |
Posted - 27 December 2007 : 12:37:16
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| Yeah I am also looking at co-location as well. I looked into a bunch of hosts on this. Just weighing in on all my options |
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