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Patterns
New Member
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 29 June 2005 : 13:29:48
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| I setup snitz about a year ago and Installed many MODS from time to time to match my needs. I never updated Snitz version it self. I am looking for some convenient way to upgrade to latest version of snitz while keeping all the MOD's installed. Is there any way to do that? |
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Helterskelter
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 June 2005 : 13:34:14
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Yes there is, it's called editing all the files again.....
How ever if you use a premodded forum like Image's, SHN, maxweb portals then u may not have the latest code but it's all ready done for u, and my get update with out u having to do anything.
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Patterns
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 June 2005 : 13:53:13
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Well That is fantastic way but I am afraid not a very good solution for me. Do people upgrade the forum like installing a MOD?
Any way.. I feel interest in the other premodded forums. Are they Free? |
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Classicmotorcycling
Development Team Leader
Australia
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Posted - 29 June 2005 : 18:31:20
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When I upgraded a while back, I had to reinstall all the mods again.quote:
Originally posted by Patterns
Well That is fantastic way but I am afraid not a very good solution for me. Do people upgrade the forum like installing a MOD?
I also upgraded www.sportsfish.com.au/forum for Neil by reinstalling the mods (plus adding a few extra's)
No easy way about it, I am afraid. |
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Helterskelter
Junior Member
United Kingdom
331 Posts |
Posted - 30 June 2005 : 04:50:07
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My reply was in a little jest, how ever if you want to upgrade you will have to reaply any mods again, apart from the DBS_ files which would stay on the DB.
All modded snitz i'm sure is free.
The following are free.
SHN forums
~ Image Forum 2001 ~
The following can not be upgraded from snitz, you have to start from a fresh DB
www.maxwebportal.info
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Patterns
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 June 2005 : 11:12:10
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To Be very honest. It is very easy to say but very difficult to do. I am not sure who orignally created the Snitz Forum, but I really appreciate the efforts done by him/her/them but my idea is for programmers and intellectuals are that instead of writing MOD's why not write some program like install shield setup. Which ask for MOD's during installation and user can select which MOD's they want and which they don't want.
I once again will say that it is difficult task but may be if team of programmer sit together and do that. I could also participate in a way that I can give you one live domain on my server to do experiments on. I am sorry but I am not a good programmer. What Moderators and Developers think of that?? |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 30 June 2005 : 12:35:12
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Using an installshield like thing is not viable here. We're dealing with changes to the source code of ASP pages, not to add some add-ons to compiled programs.
Adding a mod always changes code. The place where those changes are applied can vary, depending on changes made previously to those files (from other mods, for example). I understand it would be more easy to apply mods, and I do not say that it would be impossible to do it by code, but it would take a very clever code changing system. |
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Patterns
New Member
United Kingdom
63 Posts |
Posted - 30 June 2005 : 12:50:22
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I agree that it is quite difficult to manage existing users and their files but I know another software written mainly in ASP and they release the latest version quite often. All they do is just update the ASP files.
My suggestion is to include the option in DB and do not generate links where option is set to zero and if option is (1) then display the menus and links etc.
By this we all can have a same ASP files with different options enabled and once new MOD is developed. Owner of Snitz will integrate it in ASP files and we all will get a new ASP Files and once again option is ours that we want to display the options or not.
I well agree that it is not an easy job to move your existing customers to a new framework but this will eventually help us in lot of less forum posts just asking for help.
My 2 cents. :-)) |
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Roger Fredriksson
Average Member
Sweden
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Posted - 30 June 2005 : 13:36:45
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Patterns, why do you not use "..another software .."?
That would be impossible for me, not only because of the costs for purchasing the systems and service. Much more important is the extremly flexible plattform Snitz is offering. I can make my very own "mods" of interest for no one else but me (will of course send them to anyone asking) but of vital importance for my purpose.
You are also missing the very high educational value provided by Snitzers to all of us. When you have spent millions (ok swedish crowns SEK) on buing systems and it-consulting "in another life" the service and knowledge offered in this forum is just of an unbelievble high standard.
I know I do not have to ask you but: Snitzers - please keep on rocking and rolling! |
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Patterns
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 June 2005 : 14:26:52
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Roger, I am sorry if I tend to be offensive but I never meant to led down Snitz Forum. This is very very good forum and I appreciate the efforts by the moderators, Developers and community members. My intention was to give a positive thought with positive thinking. And I didn't say that Support Forums are useless but considering Snitz as my own forum, I thought most of the developers time is utilized in answering forums and solving users problems, which could be utilized in a better direction of development, adding more features etc.
What you think of it? Isn't it good that Thousands of other non expert, non technical users start using Snitz and then day will come when SNITZ will be considered STANDARD among industry. And this height could be achieved by making the things more smooth. |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
26364 Posts |
Posted - 30 June 2005 : 14:41:16
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I can't answer for the development team, but the choice seems to have been to limit the functionality in the base code to what is considered essential. I'm not saying it's a god choice, nor a bad one, for that matter. Just stating what I think it was.
Every choice has good and bad consequences. I think Snitz has done considerably well, which is something that should be considered quite positive. Had the choice been different, would the success be similar, higher or lower? I guess no one can really tell... |
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Patterns
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 June 2005 : 15:37:22
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In fact I use a web hosting control panel named hostingcontroller.com and thats what they do. They deploy ASP code to your machine using Install Shield and thats it. If someone want to change the ASP files they are most welcome. Any way, I don't want to get in to debate as obviously everybody have his/her point of view. All I will say that Snitz is still Best.
There is always a way to further improve the things in every aspect of life but the main thing is cost benefit analysis (Mean is it worth it? or no). I am thankful to everybody who listened to my bogus idea. |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
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Roger Fredriksson
Average Member
Sweden
556 Posts |
Posted - 30 June 2005 : 17:14:53
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| Patterns, I didn´t read you as being offensive - I do understand your point. I am just trying to stress the importance of this kind of technique which makes it possible for all of us, not being part of industry, buisness and other power-etablishements, to challenge Goliath! I can even get it translated for free without any catch to Swedish! My small contribution is an attempt to defend consumers being exploited on the Swedish power market(I guess that this perspectiv is far, far away from the original idea but nevertheless it exists - at least in my head. ) |
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Patterns
New Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 July 2005 : 09:47:39
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Ruirib, Thanks for considering it as a valid idea. Being a senior member of Snitz, you can well imagine that how many time do you have spend to answer the same/ similar question. Obviously it takes your time. I wish I can program ASP well then I was in better position to help you in the things.
Roger, translation is possible but instead of maintaining different languages, we should design a UNICODE format things and make a packet within the ASP and send it to Output XML Files. By this way we can get a different languages by just changing XML's. so it will work like
ONE ASP FRAMEWORK
PACKET of CORE LOGIC
XML Files to handle output Design and Language.
So everybody can change XML files to fulfill his needs of colors and design while keeping the same snitz.
In fact I got a idea of this as I worked previously for a SUPPORT of one ASP based product, which uses the similar technology. Being a Support person I have just gernal overview of the things. But I thing I can get more in detail view by asking my old colleagues. This all work took almost a year to complete with 5-6 team members and thing is that they have to maintain two versions. One is the same current version and the other is the designing of new version. Another point is that there are approximately 600 asp files.
Ruirb,  will it be possible for you to conduct a meeting between YOU, other senior members, developers, DB administrators to discuss the idea. As this idea might take even two years to implement but imagine how good the product then... |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 01 July 2005 : 10:33:34
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Patterns,
I'm not on the development team. And as I said, although I think the ideia is valid, you'd need a code managing app for that, which would take a lot of programming effort. |
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