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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
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 Posted - 31 December 2004 : 00:55:29
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I'm surprised nobody's posted about this yet... surely you've heard about it, I think the death-toll is up to 115,000??
insane stuff, if there was a way I could help, I would... but the fact is I cant. |
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dayve
Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 01:29:27
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Once disease and famine kick in, that number may double. I can't watch the news anymore, it makes me sick, especially seeing the faces of children, it really hurts.. more-so being that I am a parent myself.
Amazon is taking donations to help in the relief effort. I am sure there are many other organizations that The Red Cross is associated with to make it easy to provide financial and other goods... so you can help. |
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laser
Advanced Member
Australia
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 01:34:21
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Try being closer to the action  Australia is getting hourly updates (although they've eased off a bit now), and it's a nice holiday flight for quite a few people. One of my mates was going to Thailand this year, but decided on Fiji instead.
I'm sure the scariest is to come - they've already switched from individual graves to mass burials, and they still haven't started the real cleanup yet. |
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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 01:46:16
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I know of all the resources that are available to help, but right now I'm finanacially strapped, I cant even afford my cigs....
I just cant believe they couldnt predict something like this... with all the advanced technology there is nowadays...
If you think about it, the earthquake hit, causing the wave... first of all somethign somewhere should have picked up the quake...
second of all once the quake hit they shouldve started looking into it, while doing so discovering a huge wave moving through the ocean...
fact is this wasnt instant, there was a time cushion between the quake and the tsunami, because water dosnt really travel that fast in large amounts like that.... I would think satellite photos or a radar somewhere would've picked that thing up in time to at the very least warn people, if not evacuate... |
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dayve
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laser
Advanced Member
Australia
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 02:03:20
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Originally posted by Da_Stimulator
I just cant believe they couldnt predict something like this... with all the advanced technology there is nowadays...
If you think about it, the earthquake hit, causing the wave... first of all somethign somewhere should have picked up the quake...
second of all once the quake hit they shouldve started looking into it, while doing so discovering a huge wave moving through the ocean...
fact is this wasnt instant, there was a time cushion between the quake and the tsunami, because water dosnt really travel that fast in large amounts like that.... I would think satellite photos or a radar somewhere would've picked that thing up in time to at the very least warn people, if not evacuate...
So how long do you think it would take for the water to reach the fast landfall, let alone the last ?
How long would it take to notify and evacuate all the residents (let's ONLY think of resorts and not even bother with the locals for a second) ?
How far in-land do you go ?, and let's say the resort 'only' has 100 people, that's a coach-load on its own and you don't have a swagful of coaches hanging around at EVERY resort either.
I can sorta see where you're heading, but the reality is that you would have needed FAR more time than was available to evacuate even 1% of the affected people.
I heard a report the other day that they estimate the tectonic plates moved 30 metres (that's, umm ... 100 feet) and some islands have PERMANENTLY moved. You can't help but be amazed by those figures. |
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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 02:12:38
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| I am amazed by those figures, and I didnt say evacuation was required, although it would have been a good idea to try, even if there wasnt time. but good warning allows people to at least prepare (if not panic) |
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laser
Advanced Member
Australia
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 03:04:36
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| So hypothetically, if you were in Aceh and knew the tsunami was coming, and you weren't going to evacuate, what would you have done to survive ? |
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Etymon
Advanced Member
United States
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 03:13:08
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Earlier this week, I read that when the equipment was set up to detect these types of occurences that they were so rare in this part of the world extending modern capabilities to this area was left out all together.
And, I just read tonight that the people were not educated on what to do in case this were to happen, and that is why they did so little. They didn't know the warning signs.
It seems that there was little planning for the potential threat.
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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 03:41:45
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Originally posted by laser
So hypothetically, if you were in Aceh and knew the tsunami was coming, and you weren't going to evacuate, what would you have done to survive ?
got an air tank
inflatable matress
plastic bags (can hold air)
someone who is prepared to hold their breath and swim is more likely to survive a flood than one who is not. |
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laser
Advanced Member
Australia
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 04:36:06
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got an air tank
inflatable matress
plastic bags (can hold air)
someone who is prepared to hold their breath and swim is more likely to survive a flood than one who is not.
OMG!!!
But it is NOT a flood, it is a TIDAL WAVE - have you read anything about this ?
I've read a few personal accounts, and AFAIK this area isn't even know for large surf - the first wave was the height of a coconut tree, the second wave was twice as high. So in a place where large vehicles that weigh tonnes are thrown around like playtoys, and houses, shops and buildings are instantly reduced to rumble, you're just going to hold your breath to survive ?
Some Aussie amateur home video was shown on tv tonight, then they were interviewed. After the water dropped down they were walking around the street. The guy said something about a strip of shops that were about 50 metres deep, at the moment of the shops (inside) there are several 4WD vehicles crushed against the wall - in that area they didn't even bother checking for survivors.
Sorry, but the ONLY way I can see to survive stuff like that is NOT be there to begin with, or above it and hope that the building you are in doesn't collapse itself.
BUT, let's say with your tank & air mattress you survive - after a few minutes the void that was the ocean gets filled again, so you're also going to need a fairly decent anchor so you don't get sucked into the sea, never to be seen again. That is the fate of most of the beachgoers at the time. |
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 05:37:27
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because water dosnt really travel that fast in large amounts like that....
Not sure if anyone else posted above, but you do realise the wave travelled at an estimated 800Kph .. thats faster than a jumbo jet normally flys in a good slipstream. |
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PeeWee.Inc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 06:07:51
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| and the wave does not get "big" till the waters start to get shallow. |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 07:07:24
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Had warning systems been in place, then some loss off life could have been prevented in places like India, the wave took a good 2-3 hours to reach that far, but the unfortunate people in Aceh had about 5-10 minutes so it wouldn't have helped them at all, however there are no warning systems in place in that area.
To show just how huge this disaster is, previously the highest death toll from a tsunami happened in 1896, when 27,000 people were drowned following an earthquake off the coast of Japan, according to the Guinness Book of Records, however between 1984 and 1985 an estimated 900000 people were killed by famine in ethiopia |
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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
USA
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 07:08:52
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I guess I would seek shelter as I seen fit... dont really know unless your actually in the situation...
I seen one guy hangin on to a tree surviving... all kinds of debris up against the tree shielding him from bigger debris & the water... worked for him.
Fact is you just cant "prepare" for something like that... you just gotta have good instincts I guess... |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
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Posted - 31 December 2004 : 07:10:06
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Fact is you just cant "prepare" for something like that... you just gotta have good instincts I guess...
And a lot of luck |
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