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dayve
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 Posted - 04 November 2004 : 20:57:05
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I am an avid reader of Anton Szando LaVey's works and although I am not a Satanist, I can tell you that the negative stigma associated with Satanism is unwarranted. It is when the spin-off cults interpret it incorrectly or exploit the religion for evil purposes.
I whole heartedly agree that this person should be allowed the same privileges as any other person practicing their religious beliefs.... as long as this religion does not include killing others in the name of the "God". |
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Doug G
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Posted - 04 November 2004 : 23:26:27
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I saw a nice Satanist family at the local YMCA pool the other day, the kids were cute and the parents well-mannered. Then, like the closing scene from the original Dracula movie ...
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pdrg
Support Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 05:04:17
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One of the problrms in the world today is that people hold opinions - and strong ones - about things they know nothing about. I know nothing about Satanism, so have no right to say whether I agree or disagree with it (note the PERSONAL not ABSOLUTE value judgement here). We are encouraged to follow the trend and take the opinions of newspaper sub-editors as our own. It is a good habit to try and get yourself out of - start with simple things (for instance you have a mental picture of Robinson Crusoe, but have you actually read the book, or is that picture formed by popular misrepresentations of a stereotype?)
What I know of shamanism ( the core part, not all the cultural add-ons [religions!]) is that it is a very nature-centric activity/belief, which brings great healing to many people. I've witnessed this personally, so I believe it. I'm happy to think Satanism is similar, until I witness otherwise. |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
Netherlands
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 09:27:04
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Well, my personal opinion is that mankind should be very carefull with religion in any form.
Next to a cure for cancer, AIDS, etc, I think that a cure for religion would serve the world's future.
So much hatred, murders, terrorism etc finds its roots in 'religion'.
About Satanism ; a religion that worships 'evil' should not be considered a religion.
If I decide to believe in Marcellism...
Marcellism ; total anarchy, where everyone has to to what I say, because I say so, and where everything is mine, simply cause I say so.
And, don't tell me that I cannot do that, cause it's my religion, and you HAVE to respect that...
nah...I don't think that you'd like that, would you? |
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HuwR
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 09:45:42
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About Satanism ; a religion that worships 'evil' should not be considered a religion.
Satanism has absolutely sod all to do with being or worshiping evil. |
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Bookie
Average Member
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 10:19:22
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/me comes out of the woodwork to respond.
I think each person should have the unfettered right to practice religion because each individual has the freedom to believe whatever they want and worship whomever and whatever they want.
With that said, coming from my perspective (some would call it a Christian perspective but I'd rather not use that word in a place like this because of the negative connotations in some of your minds) it doesn't make sense to worship and pay homage to Satan. I'm not here to debate religion, I'm just telling you the way I see things.
To me, being a Satanist is kind of like perpetually rooting for the loosing team, or being a member of the Milli Vanilli fan club, or betting all your money on something that has zero chance of winning. The way I understand history and future events based on my interpretation of God's Word (again, my perspective) tells me that God is the Almighty, he shares his glory with no one, and Satan, who opposes God and is the great deceiver, is eventually defeated.
God's Word says a lot about Satan and the only thing positive I can find that was said about him was that he was the most beautiful of all the angels (or created beings, I can't remember). Accuser, liar, thief, deceiver, etc. Those are words that I find describe Satan. So, from my standpoint, it doesn't make sense to be a Satanist.
However, let me reiterate that each person has the right to practice any religion and, if I haven't said it enough, this is my point of view and I'm not trying to force it on you or convince you to believe what I've said. Dang, I hate all these disclaimers. I think you understand what I'm saying. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 10:36:31
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To me, being a Satanist is kind of like perpetually rooting for the loosing team, or being a member of the Milli Vanilli fan club, or betting all your money on something that has zero chance of winning. The way I understand history and future events based on my interpretation of God's Word (again, my perspective) tells me that God is the Almighty, he shares his glory with no one, and Satan, who opposes God and is the great deceiver, is eventually defeated.
Ah, but this is the problem. that is a christian view of Satan and not a historical view point according to pre-christian writings.
The word "Satan" in Hebrew, means adversary. Any God who was opposed to the xtian god yaweh, was labeled and maligned; adversary. Satan/Lucifer, is not some Hebrew mythological figure. He existed long before the religion of the Hebrews. The xtian bible is built upon Sumerian/Mesopotamian mythology.
"Lucifer," literally means "Shining one," "Lightbringer," "Bringer of truth" and "Son of the morning." Satan/Lucifer is known as a rebel God. The God who brought mankind knowledge, to elevate man above the level of an animal.
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dayve
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 11:16:17
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Originally posted by HuwR
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To me, being a Satanist is kind of like perpetually rooting for the loosing team, or being a member of the Milli Vanilli fan club, or betting all your money on something that has zero chance of winning. The way I understand history and future events based on my interpretation of God's Word (again, my perspective) tells me that God is the Almighty, he shares his glory with no one, and Satan, who opposes God and is the great deceiver, is eventually defeated.
Ah, but this is the problem. that is a christian view of Satan and not a historical view point according to pre-christian writings.
The word "Satan" in Hebrew, means adversary. Any God who was opposed to the xtian god yaweh, was labeled and maligned; adversary. Satan/Lucifer, is not some Hebrew mythological figure. He existed long before the religion of the Hebrews. The xtian bible is built upon Sumerian/Mesopotamian mythology.
"Lucifer," literally means "Shining one," "Lightbringer," "Bringer of truth" and "Son of the morning." Satan/Lucifer is known as a rebel God. The God who brought mankind knowledge, to elevate man above the level of an animal.
Very nice summarization of facts Huw... |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
Netherlands
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 13:45:54
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HuwR, I know about the CoS, I know about the pageanistic history of Satanism, but shouldn't it be wiser for 'Satanists' to use a different term for their religion.
The word Satanism has gotten a very bad taste, and Satan, the Devil, Lucifer etc are all metaphores for the purest of evil for 99% of the people.
And because of that, Satanism is often practiced by those people that simply want to do what the rest of the world does not want them to do, simply because the rest of the world hates it.
Simply the fact that the term 'darkness' is meant postive makes me raise my eyebrows.
Be good by being bad.....
However, to make a long incoherent post short; I guess I'm to much a realist, and simply don't get it.
I must say, that because of this post here at snitz, I've started to read some more on the CoS, and it's rituals remind me a lot of wiccan and druďd rituals.
Of course, the 80% majority of Satanism has nothing to do with thát Satanism. Just as 99% of so-called rock music has NOTHING to do with actual rock music. The shock-satanists, the 'I'm-a-bored-adolescent-and-I-want-to-let-everyone-know-that-I-hate-society'-kiddo's that start worshipping evil, slaughter a goat, dress in all black, and tattoo horns on your head have given Satanism the name it has today. And thát satanism is evil, and shouldn't even be considered to being a religion.
However, I think that I'm too fed up with religion of whatever kind, that I simply am not open to see that Satanism is actually a 'good' religion. In my - currently very narrow minded - view there are no good religions, simply because they all tell us that there's something out there, someone out there, some God or something, so we don't have to worry.
We don't have to worry, as long as we follow what he/she/it sais....
Yeah right....well, bullocks! As I've stated in my post at oxle on a discussion about the existence of Allah, I simply don't believe that there is any god around, that has waited for at least 4.2 billion years to find himself being worshipped by just merely half of only the human species....And that half of the population is severely divided about what his name/goal is, and they're actually killing each other for it...
That's quite an accomplishment for a God, isn't it?! Nah...don't think so.
BTW ; sorry if I offended anyone with this post...... |
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dayve
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 14:03:28
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Originally posted by marcelgoertz
HuwR, I know about the CoS, I know about the pageanistic history of Satanism, but shouldn't it be wiser for 'Satanists' to use a different term for their religion.
Growing up as a Roman Catholic there had always been a sense of holiness and christian overtones with the religion... HOWEVER, it was one of the worst experiences in my life. Very abusive mentally and often physically. This was not related to one church/school either. I had attended 3 different Catholic schools and churches and they all left me with a bad feeling towards that religion. Now I know better not to take my experience that I had and apply it to the way all Roman Catholics are... HOWEVER, there is a common feeling amongst those that I talk with that the Catholic Church has many problems that are just now becoming public and beginning to really get a negative vibe about it. So with that said, wouldn't it be safe to say that your assessment of the term used for Satanists could be applied the same way with respect to Catholics?
Here is a great example... should Buddhist stop using the swastika?
Another example... many, many people have been tortured and killed in the name of Christianity. |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
Netherlands
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 14:18:44
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No, the Buddhist should not stop using the swastika. They use it not as a arm-thingy, they don't wave around with big flags, and don't use it on black, on a red background, and next to that they use it pointing the other direction.
And, no the Catholics should not change their name, simply because of the fact that some Catholics have gone mental, and opressed their followers.
But, yes, *real* Satanists should change the name of their religion, because the outside world only links Satanism to the person/being/god known as Satan, of whom they only know that it is the root of all evil....and if that's not the case (Satan being the root of all evil), the Satanists have a serious image-issue.... 
And, yes, I *know* that many people have been tortured and killed in the name of Chirstianity, also in the name of Islam, Hinduďsm etc.
That's why I think that the deďsm, in whatever form - be it believing in ANY form of God - is a bad thing for the world, because it gives people the opportunity to act without any responsibility.
The existence of a higher being rids them of their guilt, rids them of the consequences, because they can simply justify any action in their own religion.
Just as I said in my first post in this thread: Next to a cure for cancer, AIDS, etc, I think that a cure for religion would serve the world's future. |
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