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HuwR
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 Posted - 05 November 2004 : 14:28:58
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the problem is that you should try to seperate the COS from "Satan", they are not really related, the COS is a twentieth century phenomena founded by Lavey, Satan (or Ea/Enki as his ancient name was) as a deity predates christianity by a several thousand years, and all the bad name and publicity came about purely because of the emergance of judaism/christianity.
Rather than reading about the COS, you should try and dig up as much information on ancient civilistaions and pre christian relegions, and make your own mind up, admitedly you will need to read a hell of a lot, most of this stuff is only just surfacing and even now is still being lied about and misunderstood, mainly because most of us still have a set view on what did and didn'y happen in our past and especially when, considering there is an awful lot of stuff that exists that according to both the bible and the Koran predate our creation by GOD. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 14:35:35
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That's why I think that the deďsm, in whatever form - be it believing in ANY form of God - is a bad thing for the world, because it gives people the opportunity to act without any responsibility.
The existence of a higher being rids them of their guilt, rids them of the consequences, because they can simply justify any action in their own religion.
Just as I said in my first post in this thread: Next to a cure for cancer, AIDS, etc, I think that a cure for religion would serve the world's future.
With this I whole heartedly agree, and it will come. |
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Bookie
Average Member
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 14:40:09
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Originally posted by HuwR
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To me, being a Satanist is kind of like perpetually rooting for the loosing team, or being a member of the Milli Vanilli fan club, or betting all your money on something that has zero chance of winning. The way I understand history and future events based on my interpretation of God's Word (again, my perspective) tells me that God is the Almighty, he shares his glory with no one, and Satan, who opposes God and is the great deceiver, is eventually defeated.
Ah, but this is the problem. that is a christian view of Satan and not a historical view point according to pre-christian writings.
The word "Satan" in Hebrew, means adversary. Any God who was opposed to the xtian god yaweh, was labeled and maligned; adversary. Satan/Lucifer, is not some Hebrew mythological figure. He existed long before the religion of the Hebrews. The xtian bible is built upon Sumerian/Mesopotamian mythology.
"Lucifer," literally means "Shining one," "Lightbringer," "Bringer of truth" and "Son of the morning." Satan/Lucifer is known as a rebel God. The God who brought mankind knowledge, to elevate man above the level of an animal.
As I said, my opinion and my belief. You have the right to yours. |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 14:41:56
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Thanks for the tip HuwR, I'm gonna read some more.
Got any hints for good reliable websites on the *real* subject (and not the CoS and popular Wiccan Satanism) ? Thanks in advance. |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 14:47:15
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The God who brought mankind knowledge, to elevate man above the level of an animal.
Is that the same knowledge as mentioned in Genesis, as the fruit of the tree of wisdom ?
The minute I found out that that was in Genesis (and not just the apple that they told us when I was in school) I lost ALL faith in Christianity....
Why would any God want it's only real intelligent creature to be left oblivious ???
Another thing....if you're not easily disturbed...read this: http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/goingtoheaven.html and this http://www.godandscience.org/doctrine/homosexuality.html
A couple more examples of how sickening religion can be... |
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HuwR
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 15:12:33
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The garden of eden story is a prime example of false propaganda, The snake represents The serpent god Ea or "Satan", the apple is a symbol of the tree of life (also big in ancient religion) and eve represents the matriarcal society which was kind of the norm before all this GOD **** came along and got in the way, and is meant to portray the betrayal of man by these three early religeous symbols. when in reality it is Adam who is the real villain of the story.
What most people don't realise is that we have been rewriting our history as we go along, if something didn't fit or angered the current "power incumbent", they either destroyed it or just rewrote history as if it never existed.
I will dig up some links and post them tomorrow, got to pop off and fix a server so will be out for a few hours.
pretty much all the old testament stories are actually older than the bible claims as they were stolen from other cultures mythos at the time much the same as early christianity adopted the pagan festivals and turned them into their own, Christmas being a prime example. |
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dayve
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 15:46:52
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Originally posted by marcelgoertz
No, the Buddhist should not stop using the swastika. They use it not as a arm-thingy, they don't wave around with big flags, and don't use it on black, on a red background, and next to that they use it pointing the other direction.
and you proved my point... real Satanists don't exercise the "evil" that is associated with it. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 16:06:02
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and you proved my point... real Satanists don't exercise the "evil" that is associated with it.
correct, especially since "Satan" predates the concept of "evil" |
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Astralis
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 17:49:12
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Interesting topic. But, I see some people blaming Christianity for the view of Satan that is similar to pre-Christian mythology. As some have noted, that is not explicitly taught in Scripture. In fact, the modern Anglo-Saxon vision of Satan is a product of the Protestant Reformation. Catholics still hold onto a different theological perspective of the Devil which was also taught in early Christianity.
Read the Catholic Encylopedia's entry on the Devil (1911).
Also, read the entry on Devil Worship from the same encyclopedia which starts:
Devil Worship:
The meaning of this compound term is sufficiently obvious, for all must be familiar with the significance of its two component parts. But the thing denoted by the name is by no means so easy to understand. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 18:02:01
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| the idea that "Satan" was a fallen angel of god is exactly the kind of crap that we are trying to get away from, just because it is taught by the church doesn't make it the truth. |
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Astralis
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 18:09:14
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| I'm not disputing whether Satan is real or not, I'm disputing that the Catholic view of Satan is not the same as the Protestant view, although the line is blurred. A fallen angel of God also needs interpreting just as much as a proper view of Satan needs interpreting. The animist myths were added much later and the pre-Christian myths can be found in that, not the original interpretation of what an angel or fallen angel is. |
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Gargoyle
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 19:00:42
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Originally posted by HuwR
the idea that "Satan" was a fallen angel of god is exactly the kind of crap that we are trying to get away from, just because it is taught by the church doesn't make it the truth.
Sooooo, What is the truth oh wise one..  |
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Jezmeister
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 19:46:21
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(To the original bit)
I think it's a great thing, if someone has a religion and want to practise it why shouldn't they? Just because the majority of people don't is no reason, so long as what they do is within the law they've just as much right to practise their religion as Christians and Jews have to practice theirs!
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Religion is just what you believe in. If you believe satan was a fallen angel then for you he was. If you think the bible is wholly truthful then for you the bible is wholly truthful. If you don't believe any of it then for you none of it's true.
Each individual person has a different belief, there is no right and wrong no matter what people think, right now noone has any real proof for any belief or against the majority of (religious) beliefs.
I never had any choice over what religion I was when I was younger, I went to church on sundays and that was that, and if anything that drove me away from religion. You can't force someone to believe anything and you can't tell people their beliefs are wrong, just because you believe they're are. |
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HuwR
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 20:10:01
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one religions god is another religions devil 
In answer to Gargoyle, "Satan" was also a GOD, since he is from an age before monotheistic religions, which is why christianity downgraded him to a fallen Angel , you can't have more than one God if you only believe in one. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 20:16:07
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Originally posted by marcelgoertz
Thanks for the tip HuwR, I'm gonna read some more.
Got any hints for good reliable websites on the *real* subject (and not the CoS and popular Wiccan Satanism) ? Thanks in advance.
checkout www.sacred-texts.com, it is a fairly good source of info on all sorts of religious/myth stuff. look at the stuff on near eastern religions/sumeria and the Yezidiz "Devil" worshipers |
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