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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
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 Posted - 05 November 2004 : 20:26:22
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Very interesting topic... I personally think freedom of expression in any form can be both good and bad. Extremists can make the same thing that is normally good, bad.
Generally its a good thing. I'll keep it as freedom of expression, only because I choose not to believe in religion. |
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Doug G
Support Moderator
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Posted - 05 November 2004 : 21:49:07
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This thread reminds me of a couple Emo Phillips one-liners 
"The toughest time...in anyone's life...is when you have to kill a loved one just because they're the devil."
"I used to think the human brain was the most fascinating part of the human body. "And then I thought, 'Look what's telling me that!'"
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zinpin
Junior Member
Australia
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Posted - 06 November 2004 : 05:06:37
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that's a great link Huwr the funny thing is the more you learn from each religion the more similarities you find between them.
If only we all open our minds and do a little of our own research before we jump into conclusions... |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
Netherlands
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Posted - 06 November 2004 : 05:20:27
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huwr, thanks for the link! gonna read some more.
but still the fact remains that popular satanism has nothing to do with satanism.
and that popular stream is just about bad being good, evil being the right course and stuff like that and that's complete and utter nonsense. just as you said ; the CoS has nothing to do with the ancient Satanism.... |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 November 2004 : 06:55:07
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If you read all these old texts and put them into the context of how long ago they happened and how developed as rational thinking people we were at the time, it becomes a lot easier to understand how all this religeous stuff came about and why there is so much commanality between them, it is kind of a story of our emerging consciousness.
The "religions" which came before even these, which we can only try and guess at through artefacts discovered as there is little or no written languages then, were entirely different again and were pretty much exclusively matriacal, as women were the bringers of life. It is my opinion that these patriarcal god like sytems began around the time that we realised shagging someone made the baby not some wonder of the gods bestowed upon women and from that point men tried to take control of what was once a purely female domain.
Obviously, if you have been brought up a Jew, Christian or Muslim a lot of this stuff just doesn't fit your notion of the world so may be difficult to stomach let alone believe. |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
Netherlands
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Posted - 06 November 2004 : 09:53:17
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hahaha, brilliant logic :
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It is my opinion that these patriarcal god like sytems began around the time that we realised shagging someone made the baby not some wonder of the gods bestowed upon women and from that point men tried to take control of what was once a purely female domain.
fan-tas-tic! gotta remember that one!
BTW ; you've raised my attention quite a bit with your remarks here and I'm gonna 'clone' this topic to oxle.com.
I'm very interested in the historical aspects and especially those old texts! Thanks a bunch for widening my horizon! |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 November 2004 : 10:55:06
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Astralis
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 06 November 2004 : 17:01:45
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If you read all these old texts and put them into the context of how long ago they happened and how developed as rational thinking people we were at the time, it becomes a lot easier to understand how all this religeous stuff came about and why there is so much commanality between them, it is kind of a story of our emerging consciousness.
Huw,
I think your approaching Christianity from an Evangelical point-of-view, although you may be agnostic. The fact that many of these 'myths' are found in other religions certainly would not help an Evangelical view-point which hinges on a literal interpretation of Scripture. But not all Christians are Evangelical. Catholics, for example, both the Western and Eastern, admit what you just posted and it isn't something that will shake their faith because it fortifies their belief that there is a creator.
St. Paul often speaks of the law written on human hearts. He speaks here of natural law and natural religion, a quest for the divine that is part of being a human. Many Christians, particularly Catholics, are not be surprised that there are elements in these other religions that are similar to, or predate, Sacred Scripture, because they are glimpses of the divine. |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 November 2004 : 18:13:23
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Uhm, I'm not aproaching christianity from any point of view, merely questioning what is considered the truth, and giving other the oportunity to form their own opinion, and I am an atheist not an agnostic if you really need to know, I do not believe there is or was any kind of god, Satan, Jehova or whoever.
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Da_Stimulator
DEV Team Forum Moderator
USA
3373 Posts |
Posted - 06 November 2004 : 21:26:13
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Huw... just curious
You take any theology classes? |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 November 2004 : 05:08:27
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| No, I have an enquiring mind, which I excersise on a regular basis. |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
Netherlands
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Posted - 07 November 2004 : 05:36:08
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hahaha...you really are Brittish, aren't you...
very funny replies HuwR!!!  In dutch we would call it 'dry remarks'.... |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 November 2004 : 08:12:41
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Originally posted by marcelgoertz
hahaha...you really are Brittish, aren't you...
That's an interesting question |
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