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Alfred
Senior Member

USA
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Posted - 08 January 2004 :  01:21:12  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
of The Battle Group.

Over the last few months - with the kind support of this community - I have been able to build exceptional functionality into a site which provides an arena for a strategic simulation game of WWII, with members from more than 40 countries.

The snitz shell is integrated with the game site, and serves not only as a forum, but also as headquarters for all functions of the game competition.
For full access you can log on under user: snitz / pass: snitz.

Alfred
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator

Netherlands
2625 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  01:58:01  Show Profile  Visit MarcelG's Homepage
Okay in short:
  • Very nice work on the colors and most important on the tables!! Slick design!
  • The color scheme perfectly matches the rest of your site ánd the game-genre!
  • loose the MP3! (on your mainsite)
  • loose the transition effects (it's funny one or two times, after that it becomes boring, and slows down navigation.
That's about it

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Alfred
Senior Member

USA
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Posted - 08 January 2004 :  11:15:37  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
Thank you for your comments, both kinds!
I know it takes effort to find the features that matter, and you seem to have found them.

I do take the criticism serious, and want to follow up on it.

1. MP3 tune on opening page of game site:
I discarded it a few months ago, on the concern of slowing the loading time. Then I heard comments by members that they missed the familiar tune when visiting, and I put it back. Now I don't know what to do! On the one hand it takes a while to load the first time on a dial up, on the other it is almost instant on broadband, which many use these days. And once it is stored, even on dial-up it's ok.
I am sure the loading was your concern, is there a way out?

2. Page transitions:
I didn't put them in as a feature for their own effect, but rather to disguise the loading delays of many pages. When I saw it on another site I thought this was much better than the random piecemeal loading that was a consequence of many of my pages being populated by the db.
Maybe I should just speed up the transition a bit, or use varying transition effects?

Again, thank you for your comments.

Alfred
The Battle Group
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Edited by - Alfred on 13 January 2004 23:16:54
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Ryan
Average Member

USA
858 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  11:15:58  Show Profile  Visit Ryan's Homepage
Wow! Nice design. I really like it. The only thing is that the red links at the bottom are kinda hard to read in my browser. But other than that it is a superior design.

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Alfred
Senior Member

USA
1527 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  11:27:29  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
Thanks, Ryan!

The tone of the red font is global -
do you think it should be a lighter red, or is it partly the size of it on the bottom?

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Roland
Advanced Member

Netherlands
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Posted - 08 January 2004 :  11:40:20  Show Profile
I like it, but the marquees at the top of the page are annoying. Also, I had to maximize (or resize) my browser to get rid of a horizontal scroll bar, which I believe is due to the marquees. Other than that it looks really nice.
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Alfred
Senior Member

USA
1527 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  12:42:50  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
Hi Roland,

I too feel that it makes it look a bit too crowded.
Trouble is, that it serves a real informational purpose for the members. The very top marquee will be there only a short time, until the tournament is filled. Then I'll have the battle reports only running. BTW, they are all fed by the db.
Thanks for looking!

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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator

Netherlands
2625 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  13:25:14  Show Profile  Visit MarcelG's Homepage
About the MP3 ; no, the loadingtime was not my concern...I just don't think that particular song really goes with the rest of the site, ánd I don't like it when any website makes sound....I guess I am oldfashioned But, if your members like it, stick to it!!!!

About the transition effects; here's another suggestion:
http://www.crashsite.nl/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2848&SearchTerms=please,wait,while,loading
demo: http://www.crashhosting.nl/forte/sqas/index.asp

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Ryan
Average Member

USA
858 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  14:18:04  Show Profile  Visit Ryan's Homepage
I think it is partly because it is smaller and partly because the red links are too bright. They really stand out on that table background and look kinda..well..fuzzy.

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Alfred
Senior Member

USA
1527 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  14:28:08  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
Actually, Marcel, I feel similar about sound on websites.

The tune itself is very appropriate though, being the company song of the historically famous "Panzergruppe Kleist".

So, if the loading slowdown is not an objection, I should probably leave it? I considered rotating tunes, but then thought that the familiarity with the same welcome sound may be comforting to the club members...

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Alfred
Senior Member

USA
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Posted - 08 January 2004 :  14:37:10  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Ryan

I think it is partly because it is smaller and partly because the red links are too bright. They really stand out on that table background and look kinda..well..fuzzy.
I see. So, going brighter on the red may not improve the visibility then, but it may help if I increased the font size for the bottom links (which I left unchanged from the original Snitz code)?

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D3mon
Senior Member

United Kingdom
1685 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  14:40:01  Show Profile  Visit D3mon's Homepage
A solution to the MP3 problem may be to have the site load silently, then have a button/link with which your users can activate the music if they like it. This could be linked to a cookie, so that return visitors who previously enabled it, it will auto-play.


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Edited by - D3mon on 08 January 2004 14:40:51
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Alfred
Senior Member

USA
1527 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  14:58:23  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by D3mon

A solution to the MP3 problem may be to have the site load silently, then have a button/link with which your users can activate the music if they like it. This could be linked to a cookie, so that return visitors who previously enabled it, it will auto-play.

Yes, that is something I considered as well, and do use for this page: Mens' Quarters
But how do I link the button to a cookie?

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D3mon
Senior Member

United Kingdom
1685 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  15:12:58  Show Profile  Visit D3mon's Homepage
Use:
response.cookies("music") = "1" to set the cookie value when they enable the music.
response.cookies("music").expires = Date + 30 to set the cookie to last 30 days.
Then use:
myvariable = request.cookies("music")
if myvariable = "1" then ['play the music']
when the site loads, to see if visitor has enabled the music on a previous visit.

You might like to set the cookie again if the visitor switches off the music with:
response.cookies("music") = "0"


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Edited by - D3mon on 08 January 2004 15:16:41
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Alfred
Senior Member

USA
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Posted - 08 January 2004 :  15:40:16  Show Profile  Visit Alfred's Homepage
Thanks, D3mon - got to try this!

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D3mon
Senior Member

United Kingdom
1685 Posts

Posted - 08 January 2004 :  15:51:55  Show Profile  Visit D3mon's Homepage
My own site using this method for its skinning system.


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