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PeeWee.Inc
Senior Member

United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 August 2003 :  16:04:08  Show Profile  Visit PeeWee.Inc's Homepage
First off, i have the copy right for Snitz on my site .

Now, to what the topic is about:

I'm not using any of the pages on my site, but i have copied some code and used it on my site, do i still have to have the copy right there? (i'm keeping it anyhow )

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Nikkol
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USA
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Posted - 18 August 2003 :  16:09:58  Show Profile
if you use any snitz code, you need to put the copyright info in that file. at least that is my understanding.

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Anacrusis
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USA
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Posted - 18 August 2003 :  16:12:21  Show Profile  Visit Anacrusis's Homepage  Send Anacrusis an AOL message
Yea, I think I read somewhere that the copyright needs to be included on any page that uses even the slightest bit of snitz code.

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Davio
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Jamaica
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Posted - 18 August 2003 :  17:51:35  Show Profile
lol...but what if I copied "Response.Write "<tr>" from the snitz code? Would a user still need the copyright?

To answer my own question, I think they would still need the copyright. Even if it is standard vbscript code, all the code that is packaged with the forum is copyrighted. If you want to avoid using the copyright, type the code out yourself.

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Davio
Development Team Member

Jamaica
12217 Posts

Posted - 18 August 2003 :  18:01:44  Show Profile
But that brings up another point, what if the user typed out the code, instead of copy and paste? Does he still need the copyright? Even though the code is specific to the Snitz Forums software?

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laser
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Australia
3859 Posts

Posted - 18 August 2003 :  18:24:34  Show Profile
This is the grey area of IP (Intellectual Property). A strict type-out instead of copy&paste should still have the copyright attached, AFAIK. You might change the variable names, harder to police. Or you could map out the logic and write completely different code that results in the same outcome - it's been done before
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OneWayMule
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Austria
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Posted - 18 August 2003 :  19:07:36  Show Profile  Visit OneWayMule's Homepage  Send OneWayMule an ICQ Message
I don't see what the problem is with using someone's code (no matter how many bytes/characters/pages/whatever) and giving credit by showing the copyright.

I even do this when there's no license that "forces" me to do this; I would want other people to do the same with my code.

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seahorse
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USA
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Posted - 18 August 2003 :  22:14:29  Show Profile  Visit seahorse's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Davio

But that brings up another point, what if the user typed out the code, instead of copy and paste? Does he still need the copyright? Even though the code is specific to the Snitz Forums software?



I think that would depend. Basically, no one controls the building blocks. However, it's what you've built with those blocks that you have copyright too.

Look at literature. No one has a copyright on the alphabet or basic words like dog or cat. However, when you put words together into something distinct, such as War & Peace, the latest John Grisham thriller, etc. then you have something you can copyright.

I think the same is true of code. I mean there aren't too many different ways to create a recordset or build a do while loop. Very difficult to say you own a copyright to that.

The grey area is where you determine what is a "building block" and basic to all coding, and what is part of "what you've built". I hope that makes sense.



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VodkaFish
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USA
654 Posts

Posted - 18 August 2003 :  23:40:29  Show Profile  Send VodkaFish an AOL message  Send VodkaFish an ICQ Message  Send VodkaFish a Yahoo! Message
quote:
Originally posted by OneWayMule

I don't see what the problem is with using someone's code (no matter how many bytes/characters/pages/whatever) and giving credit by showing the copyright.
I'd say the problem for a high traffic site would probably be bandwidth.

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OneWayMule
Dev. Team Member & Support Moderator

Austria
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Posted - 19 August 2003 :  03:41:13  Show Profile  Visit OneWayMule's Homepage  Send OneWayMule an ICQ Message
Umm... either you misunderstood my or I misunderstand you... but... why should displaying the copyright be a bandwidth problem?

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VodkaFish
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USA
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Posted - 19 August 2003 :  12:10:51  Show Profile  Send VodkaFish an AOL message  Send VodkaFish an ICQ Message  Send VodkaFish a Yahoo! Message
If getting rid of the copyright cuts off bytes it can matter to some, that's all. Some people look to cut corners everywhere. It's not a big thing, but you never know who may view it as such.

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OneWayMule
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Austria
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Posted - 19 August 2003 :  12:13:02  Show Profile  Visit OneWayMule's Homepage  Send OneWayMule an ICQ Message
Ah, ok, now I understand what you meant

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PeeWee.Inc
Senior Member

United Kingdom
1893 Posts

Posted - 20 August 2003 :  16:45:53  Show Profile  Visit PeeWee.Inc's Homepage
Ok, as i said, i wish to keep the copyright stuff on my website but, i dont use any of that (the copyright code) on my site. Can amend it to fit my needs. The end outcome will look the same.

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