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GauravBhabu
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 Posted - 23 February 2003 : 20:46:41
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| I agree with Nathan, the last comment by carefree is extreme |
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Posted - 23 February 2003 : 21:58:05
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| Yes Carefree, it was a unnecessary comment... |
 Stop the WAR! |
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RichardKinser
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Posted - 23 February 2003 : 22:12:46
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| If this is going to be an "open" topic, then everyone should be able to convey their opinions and comments without someone calling them unnecessary. |
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Morten
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Denmark
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Posted - 23 February 2003 : 22:36:20
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Let's put the blame where it belongs. In all the history of Muslims, they have been constantly at war. If there was no one else to war with, they warred amongst themselves. Everywhere you have one Muslim, they are fighting with someone else.
Your goverment will not send anybody at war to fight other religions. The basement of USA (and the rest of the western world) is the individuals right of free expression of ideas, religions and politics etc. The US-Goverment used a lot of energy after septemeber 11 to explain the muslims in the US (but proberbly first of all adressed to all the other Americans that felt an emidetly desire for actions against muslims in the days after the attack at WTC) that the efforts to capture the terrorists was not pointed towards muslims becaurse there where muslims, but towards the terrorists becaurse they where terrorists.
back to topic....
I think we already have a sad example of the results of a hardline politic in the middleeast - and with a scarring result. After Ariel Sharon was democratic elected as Primemenister of Israel the country have faced awfull many attacks as a result of his hardline-politics (I think). I´m a afraid that this is a basic rule of overpowering instead of insist of working out more peacefull solutions to problems, even it take years. Overpowering works like a boomerrang, it hit us where we stand.
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Posted - 23 February 2003 : 22:45:05
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
If this is going to be an "open" topic, then everyone should be able to convey their opinions and comments without someone calling them unnecessary.
I'm out of words now! |
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Kent
Junior Member
United States
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 00:06:25
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Two simple questions:
1) If not the US, who will do it?
2) If not now, then when?
12 years of sanctions and constant surveillance, 16 UN resolutions, and he still will not comply with what he agreed to as "terms of surrender" 12 years ago...
IF you place any value on the UN, you may want to think carefully on this issue. Saddam is making a mockery of the UN, and the dissension is damaging NATO and the EU. If the UN will not show the "backbone" to back up its resolutions, it is less than useful -- but rather harmful. It provides a venue where ironically (??) Iraq is to chair a conference in May 2003 on disarmament and Angola (remember that pleasant little venture) is to chair a conference on Human Rights...
IMO, the UN has to "draw a line in the sand" and force compliance or face the same fate as the League of Nations... |
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bjlt
Senior Member
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 00:56:02
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Has Israeli meet the requirements of all the UN resolutions?
Are there other contries that are autocracy?
If a country is free to join and leave a internation treaty, what does such a treaty do?
It's actually leagal for North Korea to quit the treaty and develop nuke, then what's wrong with it? it might threaten other countries? who's the judge. Other countries may say that the US are threatening their countries.
I won't discuss here to war or not to war
I think war is ok if
it's absolutely needed
legal
try to do it with minumum loses
but the majority of people will never know if it's absolutely needed. many countries do not have freedom to speech while in other free countries things are not much better on this neither.
let me explain why.
the freedom to speech doesn't mean you hear voices of all people/views and the facts.
sometimes facts are convered, ignored, twisted and we just make decisions based on it.
freedom to speech means every one can express their idea but the idea might not be hear by others. media have their own tastes, so do the readers, and the mainstream is not equal to correct.
people believe they have freedom to speech are somewhat brainwashed as well, as they do believe they have the freedom, they don't feel the brainwash at all. however, it's not all the same as that in the autarchy countries where the ruler decides all what people to know/hear/believe, here in the free countries people may have the choices/sources of all information. yet the government are trying to brainwash, if you've ever been in the army you know it, it's the same everywhere in the world. Yet the media have their own tastes/benefits/stands and it's possible that on some issues all the major media we have are not justice. this is typical when it's not a matter of people's direct interests such as an international issue.
the US is the country with the most freedom, it's still a country relotively isolated to other countries. people their actually care/know little about the other countries, this is ok, they are the strognest and they are happy there's no need to care about other countries. Problem is people there do want to voice/act to other countries' fairs. Do you believe they can make correct judgement if the fact is true that only 13% American actually know where Iraq is? Do you? Maybe some of them have the ability to make correct judgement but they don't know the facts, others maybe ignorant at all.
I agree that the system is to run by 2% of the population, however, you know what politician is, politician is politician, they cannot be trusted but we don't have other choices.
and international laws are bullstuff, both Sadamm and Bush know it. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 04:16:22
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Let's put the blame where it belongs. In all the history of Muslims, they have been constantly at war. If there was no one else to war with, they warred amongst themselves. Everywhere you have one Muslim, they are fighting with someone else.
It is exactly this kind of biggoted opinion that gives americans the bad name they have. |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 08:30:44
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From Pearl Harbor to World Trade Center...Human Lives Were Lost? A far more greater number of lives were lost in Hiroshima. Pearl Harbor, WTC or Hiroshima...they were all Acts of War and the tragic loss of life brings a lot of pain to my heart. If the war starts again, will it end in Afghanistan or Iraq or  . There is Lot more Weapons of Mass Destruction, More powerful Atomic Bombs as compared to 1940's and more than one country is capable of Dropping those Bombs. I can not stop the War but I will always stand up for No War. Every single life is Precious. Does it matter who gets killed? |
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Kent
Junior Member
United States
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 11:09:30
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Couple of WWII points:
1) There were far more people killed in the fire bombing of Tokyo than Hiroshima and Nagasaki...
2) Many would credit Hiroshima and Nagasaki with saving hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of lives that would have been lost by invading the home islands of Japan.
3) The US clearly and certainly didn't start that war with Japan -- ending it with the least possible loss of life (on both sides) should be considered positive, not negatively....
Ironically the flag-raising on Iwo Jimo was 58 years ago yesterday, Feb 23rd. How quickly we forget that war, though brutal and unwanted, is sometimes the only path to peace.... |
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dayve
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USA
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 11:22:29
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| The loss of human life is always a sensitive subject which is why WAR really brings out the deepest emotions. I am never for killing anyone unless it is to prevent the deaths of many. Sadaam Hussein kills his own people, and has the potential for killing even more of his neighboring regions. Would you say it is okay to not retaliate and try to stop him by any means possible? A person like Sadaam will NEVER do prison time because he is the type that will refuse to be captured, just like Osama Bin Laden his resorted to hiding like the chicken that he is. Back to my point, a comment was made that every single life is precious and I disagree. There are those people out that that do not respect what life they've been given by taking other "precious" lives. Not to get off the subject, but I would pull the trigger myself on any person that would do harm to my family because I value my families life to the highest degree. If that means taking the life of another then so be it, call it revenge, call it preventative measures, but to say that all lives are precious just does not register with me. |
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wii
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Denmark
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 13:13:03
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| The problem is that there are many other countries where their leaders are killing their own people and neighboors, and what about Israel? Whatever they do in killing innocent people and ignoring human rights, nothing happens, because they have US support... |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 13:32:14
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| If you will kill someone for the fear of being killed then don't Mourn when another person, having the same fear, will kill someone dear to you. If every person thinks the same way then this world will become nothing but a Morgue. |
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Nikkol
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USA
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 13:40:09
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| If a criminal pulls a gun on a police officer, does the police officer not have the right to shoot first? If I am threatened when walking down the street, do I not have the right to fight back? |
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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator
Denmark
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Posted - 24 February 2003 : 13:45:53
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| The world would be a morgue if everyone kills each other, because they are afraid of being killed or someone dear to them would get killed, that it obvious, and that´s exactly why it shouldn´t be happening, but that some people are this way unfortunately. If everybody could live a life without hate and accepting people as they are, we would have been living on a peaceful planet, but this is Utopia, I know, because mankind are not created this way... |
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