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xstream
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 Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:08:19
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Echolon Network?
You watching Alias to much or what?
Xstream
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Heynow
Junior Member
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Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:18:55
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Originally posted by dl4gbe
Hallo Friends:
Last weekend I went to a refugee camp of Hmong People. Yes even
more than 25 years after the end of the secret war in Laos, this things still exist. People also still get killed by American bombs in Laos after all this years. My wife was born in a village which was bombed by American
B 52 bombers. I talk to a lot of people which remember with horror than the bombs fall like eggs on their villages. This air raids were and are a crime. And what did it help? Hundreds of Thousends of refugees, hatrige between low land laotian and the hill tribes. Laos was a nutreal country,
and got bombed into the stone ages.
America abandend the hill tribes in Laos who were fighting the dirty war for them, they abanded the Shiits in southern Irak, they bombed and left.
The Americans evacuted Long Tieng with 3 planes. Tens of Thousends of their allies had to make it through the jungels of Laos to the thai side.
Many died. This is what I know about American politics. 
Not familiar what happened 25 years ago, but I think you have a lot of catching up to do. The US Government is far from perfect, but can you tell me of another country that has helped people around the world more than the United States?
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:21:08
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Originally posted by ruirib
Dynamix, have you ever been to the US? Have you ever stopped in a US newstand and actually bought a newspaper or a magazine and took a look around to see what other magazines are available?
Yes, as I told many times before! I was many times in the US, I have read magazines and I have seen TV. I also have had discussions with "normal" people on the street and even I had much fun (I was at the millenium on times square) and met a lot of people.
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Originally posted by ruirib
Heck, have you ever heard of Larry Flint, owner of a famous magazine named Hustler?
ahahaha. And this is for you an example of freedom? That exactly for me is an other example for censorship and intolercance!
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Originally posted by ruirib
Do you watch CNN or other american channels? Have you ever watched CBS 60 minutes? Did you ever heard about something called Watergate?
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sy
Average Member
United Kingdom
638 Posts |
Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:26:21
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Originally posted by bozden
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we are all adults here and should be able to make up our own minds about thr things we see and the people who post them.
sy, this forum has no control on its members' age and anyone can subscribe with a year of 13. The pic/link was adult material (i.e. sex related). The links you provided also contain adult material (extreme brutal) and it will be better if you remove it. I think if somebody wants to see such stuff, one can find them using other means.
[edit]why do I keep putting CODE tags instead of QUOTE?[/edit]
Hello Bozden,
I now see that the post by dynamix probably had nothing to do with the war, and was sexual in its nature by what others say, so I have edited my post, and removed the links to the websites I mentioned.
As others have said, this is a forum for us all to discuss the matters at hand in a mature manner and in a reasonable way.
I am not a 'squeamish' person, and actually believe people are better equipped to discuss some issues if they are shown evidences, evidences they might not have seen in mainstream medias, remember that this current war in Iraq is being carried out in the name of the coalition, and the people of the democracies it represents.
I speak to a lot of educated and informed people about the war all over the place, and few are aware of incidents not shown on mainstream media, yet the war is fought in our name, we don't get to learn what is actually going on.
I agree entirely the links I posted where rather extreme, but it is all genuine materials, war is not some well coiffeured presenter on CNN, its nasty, and if it is being fought in my name, well, then I wish to learn all about it I can.
This is only my personal opinion, and I am of an age where i can make up my own mind about things, but people, posting pictures here that are outside of the forum owners policy is a bad thing, and degrades the entire experience of taking part in this discussion. |
The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; the realist adjusts the sails
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Heynow
Junior Member
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Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:26:30
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Originally posted by Dynamix
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Originally posted by Pi
Surely, snitz is a -global- forum??? If it is not, it may be appropriate to indicate -upfront- that the administration of the board DOES have a particular political point of view which it promotes through the site and that if someone does not like it they should go somewhere else.
Here we agree 100% again.
You do?
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Originally posted by Dynamix
Good example again:
Why should I stop that? For YOUR censorship? Thatīs again the well known way of american thinking...
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:27:25
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Originally posted by TestMagic
You know, I have to admit that I thought of Dynamix last night when I was watching on CNN a live press conference given by Iraq's Minister of Information, in which he threatened to sue Bush as a war criminal. Personally, I found it interesting to hear what he had to say, and I was happy that I was fortunate enough to be able to watch it.
He IS a war criminal, because he donīt agree with international and geneva law!
Saddam also is a war criminal, but that does it not make better for Bush. If I could I would take Bush to international court.
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Originally posted by TestMagic
BTW, you never addressed my post, the one in which I pointed out to you that the satirical image that you posted was in fact produced by a large American media conglomerate?
Thatīs only a joke and Satire. Itīs not a "free reported" news. If this also would not be allowed you would believe me because you could see, that your media isnīt real free. |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:29:58
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Originally posted by Doug G
Alfred, would you also stop provoking people. Your qualifications don't give you the right to judge anyone else's qualifications here and your last comment is uncalled for.
Doug, doesnīt matter to me and he canīt provoke me really. Iīm very interested in hearing those kind of points because as I told, I can learn much more in such discussions. I am not angry about anyone which haves a strong different opinion. I can try to change it, but Iīm not so stupid to belive, that it works every time for me.
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
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Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:32:29
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Originally posted by Alfred
Even the most open-minded and tolerant participants in this topic have finally seen enough and disapprove of Dynamix's tone and attitudes.quote:
But I say thatīs a sick way of thinking!
Do you feel it's fine to be told to have a "sick way of thinking", but provokative of me to ask not be be lectured by someone who has demonstrated his lack of judgement of conditions we are more familiar with than he is?
Why did you not quote the full part? If you understand it completly it would show you that the those people who love weapons and **** naked people are really ill. - Thatīs not normal.
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:39:29
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Originally posted by dl4gbe
B 52 bombers. I talk to a lot of people which remember with horror than the bombs fall like eggs on their villages. This air raids were and are a crime. And what did it help? Hundreds of Thousends of refugees, hatrige between low land laotian and the hill tribes. Laos was a nutreal country,
and got bombed into the stone ages.
America abandend the hill tribes in Laos who were fighting the dirty war for them, they abanded the Shiits in southern Irak, they bombed and left.
The Americans evacuted Long Tieng with 3 planes. Tens of Thousends of their allies had to make it through the jungels of Laos to the thai side.
Many died. This is what I know about American politics.
Yes, thatīs exactly what the USA is doing in EVERY war. In german TV they call it a "US-Tradition"!
The US is throwing stones against Iraqi Politic (and against many other countrys politics) but they even donīt care about their own politic. They donīt respect international law and other thinking cultures. All what they care about is their own interests. The EU is very much further in this point. We developed our selves sind 2nd world war. The USA stands still since then. |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:45:35
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Originally posted by xstream
Echolon Network?
You watching Alias to much or what?
No, Echolon Network is a fact. The USA told it many year ago. Even the ex-chief of the CIA told in some interviews that there is such a Network. There also is a EU-comission for this Network since about 2 years. The Network has some bases in germany and Britain which every one is able to see. They are not so secret as they could. In germany the government cares in the moment about those things because the Echolon Network was used in the last years for spying at our industrie. Some great contracts where lost for us, because the USA has stolen information using this Network. That are no informations from our TV. That are informations which came from US-TV and also from the interview with the CIA-Chief. Thatīs nothing new. In germany most people know this since about 5 years, because some people of our green Party made some actions against those Network in the EU-Parlament. I know those facts since about 10 years... |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:47:39
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Originally posted by Heynow777
The US Government is far from perfect, but can you tell me of another country that has helped people around the world more than the United States?
Thatīs a good point. The USA really helped a lot of countrys. Especially germany is very thankful for the help. But as I told, as a good friend you have to point out when your friend is doing wrong things. And in the moment the USA is acting wrong!
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
205 Posts |
Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:54:21
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Originally posted by sy
I now see that the post by dynamix probably had nothing to do with the war, and was sexual in its nature by what others say, so I have edited my post, and removed the links to the websites I mentioned.
Ohhh. How bad was such a posting? Even it was not sexual in its nature, I can not understand whatīs wrong in making postings with a sexual nature?
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Originally posted by sy
I am not a 'squeamish' person, and actually believe people are better equipped to discuss some issues if they are shown evidences, evidences they might not have seen in mainstream medias, remember that this current war in Iraq is being carried out in the name of the coalition, and the people of the democracies it represents.
There is no true coalition. There is only a Empire and a Marionette (only a single man!). The marionette doesn't have any Ass in his pants, because if he would have he would act like France or Germany.
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Originally posted by sy
This is only my personal opinion, and I am of an age where i can make up my own mind about things, but people, posting pictures here that are outside of the forum owners policy is a bad thing, and degrades the entire experience of taking part in this discussion.
I think a free country could accept free opionions and also free Satire. |
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Heynow
Junior Member
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Posted - 30 March 2003 : 09:56:19
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Originally posted by Dynamix
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Originally posted by Heynow777
The US Government is far from perfect, but can you tell me of another country that has helped people around the world more than the United States?
Thatīs a good point. The USA really helped a lot of countrys. Especially germany is very thankful for the help. But as I told, as a good friend you have to point out when your friend is doing wrong things. And in the moment the USA is acting wrong!
Dynamix, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but not the opinion of the majority of the American people and many of its allies. (49 countries) |
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Dynamix
Junior Member
Germany
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Posted - 30 March 2003 : 10:11:48
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I think the US-Government also lies about their allies. Many of them where told before that they would not get any more industrial help and no more money. And the USA could only tell about some countrys that they are allied. Rumsfeld said in interviews that many of those countrys would not allow to be mentioned as allied. It should be a secret that they are.
I think he is a liar! There arenīt so many countrys which would decide free to be allied with this kind of politic. Itīs only a thing of money. But how many countrys really agree we saw at the UNO: the UNO still NOT agree with US politic. |
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dl4gbe
Starting Member
Thailand
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Posted - 30 March 2003 : 10:12:52
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Hallo Heynow777,
during the Vietnam war the North Vietnamese used Laotian territory
to attack South Vietnam. This is known as the Ho Chi Ming trail.
What is not so much known is that they also bombed other parts of Laos, to fight what they said was the "communist thread". A total of 2 Million
Tons of Ordanaces was used, this was 650 Kilo per Laotian Citizien.
And this bombing was illegal, because Lao was nutreal after all according
to the Paris treaty of 1962. But the bombing did not help. The people only got more and more angry. But it was the Hilltribes (which were hired by the CIA) which suffered. After the Americans cancelled supporting them, their bases got overrun by the lowland laotian (pathet lao)
Most of the survivors live in US now, others in refugee camp, like the one in Saraburi which I visited last week.
Read Christopher Robbins book "The Ravens, Pilots of the Secret War in Laos" or Charles Weldon "Tragedy in Paradise" about some things your CIA did.
I have the bad feeling the same thing will happen now in IRAQ. Maybe you win the war, but you can not win the heard of the people who suffer. The Kurds will suffer again, there will be no peace but more
suffering after you wiped Saddam out of power. The Kurds will revenge, the Shiits will revenge, Iran will get involved, Turkey will get involved, Jordan will have big problems.
The world get's polarized again. Countries like Iran want to get nuclear weapons. They also have a right to defend themselves, or?
Do you think you can win the hearts of the Muslim and the Arabic world,
by bombing Bagdad?
America: Make a good fight. Play Fair. Saddam has nothing, you have all the bombers? There should be rules in a war. Fight man against man.
The problem is not that Irak has weapons of mass destruction. The problem is that he does not have them (or not a lot of them). If Saddam would have this kind of weapons, America would not have attacked like this. America would have been a little bit more careful. So, what can Iran and the others do, produce some nukes.It's really crazy.
Sincerely
Chris
P.S. I visited this forum, because I am searching for a clue why sometimes in inc_func_common.asp the script brings me a database error
in the function chkUser. It does it only sometimes, up to now no clue why. I did not intend to become political. But
this new Snitz Banner is so one sided. Flags of the three main attacking nations. I just wish that this forum remains nutreal. Or are people, who are not in favour of this war, not welcome here anymore?
Do I have to change my forum software??? |
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