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HuwR
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 Posted - 28 March 2003 : 04:06:27
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Is it possible that someday there are not enough resources, e.g. oil, on the earth to support the cosume of all people?
Yes, but not for quite some time yet. The advances in geophysics and drilling mean that we are able to extract resources which we could not even find 10 or 20 years ago, which is why the are constantly revising their projections.
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Heynow
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 06:30:01
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Saddam Hussein understands far better than any other dictator, the power of the US Armed Forces. He understands how poorly his military performed in the first Gulf War. The idea that he would attack US interests in the region with WMD was highly unlikely. I will acknowledge that the Iraqi military did actively attempt to shoot down Coalition aircraft patroling the Iraqi no-fly zones. Of course, now that we've invaded, I would judge the likelihood of the Iraqis using WMD as quite high, possibly even certain.
The threat is Saddam supplying terrorists with WMD.
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Pakistan, which has supported the Taliban in the past, has an active nuclear weapons program. As I mentioned earlier, Pakistani nuclear scientists have met with Bin Laden. If preventing terrorists from acquiring WMD is the stated goal, far greater attention should be placed on other countries.
I think it is extremely unlikely that Saddam would give terrorists access to WMD. Bush was more than willing to invade with Iraq just to get better UN inspections of Iraq. Do you think that Saddam, who is already well aware that Bush is looking for any excuse to put a bullet in his head cruise missile through his Presidential Palace window, would be stupid enough to give terrorists access to WMD?
So there are Al Queda terrorists in Iraq. There are Al Queda terrorists in Pakistan too. That doesn't mean that the Pakistanis are giving WMD to terrorists.
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Heynow
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 06:38:39
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So there are Al Queda terrorists in Iraq. There are Al Queda terrorists in Pakistan too. That doesn't mean that the Pakistanis are giving WMD to terrorists.
And there are Al Queda terrorists in the US, and I don't know if it means that the Americans are giving WMD to terrorists.
What if an American, not one in close relationship or a member of the terrorists groups on the list, but just an ordinary American, does such a teroorist activity? Isn't it possible? If thathappens, I wonder what the US government would do, esp if he gets the WMD from somewhere in the US.
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Ummm . . . . How about the Oaklahoma City bombing.
Was that not just an ""ordinary American"" doing such a terrorist act?
Holy Crap! Not to sound insulting, but this is not even worth answering.
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 07:28:34
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Preventive war, anticipatory self-defense, was the doctrine with which the Japanese justified Pearl Harbor. FDR, an earlier American president, said that it was a date that will live in infamy. And now the Bush doctrine is a doctrine of preventive war, which makes America the self-appointed world’s judge, jury and executioner.
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 08:39:35
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Holy Crap! Not to sound insulting, but this is not even worth answering. Anyone with a brain in their head would know the differences between the two.
You not seeing the connection does not mean that there is none. In such cases the preferred method would be to ask politely for a more descriptive explanation.
Your wording is insulting and you saying "not to sound" does not make it lighter.
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Heynow
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 08:45:01
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Your wording is insulting and you saying "not to sound" does not make it lighter.
I agree and I edited my post. My apologies for any insulting remarks. |
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Alfred
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 11:32:01
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Ummm . . . . How about the Oaklahoma City bombing.
Was that not just an ""ordinary American"" doing such a terrorist act?
He was a sick abomination, and an example of one of the weaknesses of our ultra-liberal system.
Same as Waco.
Not the fact that it happened at all, but how it was handled.
Can you imagine how it would have been handled where bjlt lives?
Let's ask him - he may be able to give us his honest opinion?
Trouble is that many have tried to find a better system of government, but so far it has been with disastrous results.
Short of a benevolent dictatorship (sorry, just a remnant of my idealistic youth days!) nothing better has been found yet.
There were a few of those, like the occasional wise and kind King or Emperor, and more recently Tito and Castro (just my view), but the more typical cases result in monsters like Hitler and Hussein.
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Pi
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 11:55:36
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When I saw the board today after being away for a while, I was really shocked. The "brand" of the board had been changed to a pro-war image. The statements in the Announcements section - I wondered if I had come to the right place! Surely this is (was) an international community of very diverse points of view. The new "logo" is saying to me this is an American community of a pro-war point of view. Was there a vote on the pro-war logo? or was it just imposed without comment and all objecting posts deleted? Has anyone registered snitz.mil ?
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PeeWee.Inc
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 12:11:01
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Originally posted by Pi
When I saw the board today after being away for a while, I was really shocked. The "brand" of the board had been changed to a pro-war image. The statements in the Announcements section - I wondered if I had come to the right place! Surely this is (was) an international community of very diverse points of view. The new "logo" is saying to me this is an American community of a pro-war point of view. Was there a vote on the pro-war logo? or was it just imposed without comment and all objecting posts deleted? Has anyone registered snitz.mil ?
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dayve
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 12:14:01
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Originally posted by Pi
When I saw the board today after being away for a while, I was really shocked. The "brand" of the board had been changed to a pro-war image. The statements in the Announcements section - I wondered if I had come to the right place! Surely this is (was) an international community of very diverse points of view. The new "logo" is saying to me this is an American community of a pro-war point of view. Was there a vote on the pro-war logo? or was it just imposed without comment and all objecting posts deleted? Has anyone registered snitz.mil ?
I've been staying out of this topic but feel I must comment on this one. Your statement is extremely uncalled for. Regardless of the feelings you have for the war, showing support for the troops is NOT a pro-war statement. You should really be ashamed of your comments and rethink how you look at the men and women doing their job. If you want to be upset with someone, be upset with the politicians and/or the administration.
Then there is option number 2... don't visit Snitz if you think we're pro war. May I suggest checking out phpBB or InfoPOP for your forum and community needs. 
I also guess you happened to easily overlook that it is not Pro American either... see the little flags above and below the yellow ribbon? Yeah, that would be England and Australia. Last I checked, they were not American. |
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bjlt
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 12:43:35
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Originally posted by Alfred
Not the fact that it happened at all, but how it was handled.
Can you imagine how it would have been handled where bjlt lives?
Let's ask him - he may be able to give us his honest opinion?
I don't understand what you mean, what do you IMAGINE that would happen here?
There were bombs in my country too. Some were placed by people to commit suicide while they wanted to die with the one they hate, some were just "normal" criminal activities, and there are some done by terrorists who have political requests.
About local terrorists, they are extreme people for sure. However, I admit there are problems in our system.
How would a criminal case be handled? It's the same just like it's in other countries. I won't argue the death penalty, or weakpoint in laws, or unfairness or coruption of the trial sometimes here. It's really complecated involving the histroy, culture, law system, economy, education, etc., involving almost everything as law is the foundmental of our nation here also.
I know and admit that my country has quite some problems, this is more complecated and not suited to be discussed here.
I won't imagine what would happen, I make my own judgement and illation based on the facts I have and I know I may be limited on the information, be influneced or mislead sometimes, and I know sometimes I have prejudice but I try to avoid it.
FYI I'm a member of minority ethnic group, living in the capital, with friends of and contacts with both the rich and powerful and the poor here, have had fair education and with many friends living in other countries and have access to western and Asian media right at my home.
well the US system is pretty good but it may not work well if you force someone to adopt it, and the system has to adjust to fit the specific situation of a nation.
Well, I think it's somewhat irrelevant to discuss the system here.
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bjlt
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 13:05:08
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Not the fact that it happened at all, but how it was handled.
I'm interested in how it was handled.
The US sent troops to Iraq to prevent terrorists act in America, I'm really interested what it has done and will do to prevent one done by an American.
I myself think there are extreme or paranoid people that you cannot avoid, meanwhile you can try to see why someother ordinary people turn mad or despire and try to ease it. |
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Pi
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 13:30:42
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Thank you for your reply dayve. I hope it did not cause offence - anyway...
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I've been staying out of this topic but feel I must comment on this one. Your statement is extremely uncalled for.
I think it is VERY called for. How would you feel if what you thought was a place about software has a brand which now represents something political. The same statement should be made if this was an anti-war logo. My whole point (which I fear is getting VERY buried) is that this branding is a HUGE event in this community. To me there is a MASSIVE ditinction between having a Topic like this, where all manner of opinions of all shades may be expressed subject to no flaming rules - compared with having a political posture adopted into the very logo of the community. I would be posting in disgust, as I said, if there was an ANTI-WAR logo.
Regardless of the feelings you have for the war, showing support for the troops is NOT a pro-war statement.
I totally disagree. The topics in Announcements ARE pro the war, pro the role of the US/UK/Aussie military, therefore they are political. You are not saying "ALL soldiers take care and safe home". You are saying "OUR soldiers take care and safe home"
My personal support for the troops is to get them home in something other than a body bag.
You should really be ashamed of your comments and rethink how you look at the men and women doing their job. If you want to be upset with someone, be upset with the politicians and/or the administration.
No, Im not ashamed of my comments. Please dont patronise me about how the military works. I grew up with soldiers and know many service families.
Then there is option number 2... don't visit Snitz if you think we're pro war. May I suggest checking out phpBB or InfoPOP for your forum and community needs.
"My way or the highway". Hmmm... no thank you. Your support is too good :)
You still have not addressed my key point from above.
I also guess you happened to easily overlook that it is not Pro American either... see the little flags above and below the yellow ribbon? Yeah, that would be England and Australia. Last I checked, they were not American.
Last time I checked, there were not millions of people in the UK marching for war. Anyway, surely this place should be non-political and militarily neutral in posture but allow the expression of all points of view??
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RichardKinser
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Posted - 28 March 2003 : 15:17:49
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