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snerdley
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 Posted - 26 March 2003 : 05:29:46
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A war can only be justified if you try to save your country against an invasion...
Ahhh, my friend, it's time to start thinking out-of-the-box. You're still stuck in the sixties, with it's conventional ideas of conflict. It's a different world today than yesterday. It no longer takes a typical "invasion" as you envision it to be under attack. Nuclear bombs in suitcases, deadly biological agents......... enough in a couple of small vials to wipe out a city, chemical weapons, the list goes on. No, it doesn't take an "army" that can be fought to deliver this stuff. I'm surprised that as an "enlightened one" you do not know these things.
That's what bothers me about the dreamers........... they miss really important developments while dreaming their dream. "Yes, don't bother me with reality! I'm enjoying my dream too much!"
With all due respect.
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bjlt
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 06:15:48
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Originally posted by bozden
bjlt, please don't change the older posts so frequently. If you need to, please indicate what you changed. It's quite tiring to search what has been changed and trying to remember how it was before  .
Oops, sorry I'll sure not to do it later.
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 06:25:25
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That justification sentence is from UN documentation and was referring to US invasion without the approval of UN.
Unfortunately, you cannot prevent terrorist attacks which use chemical/biological weapons with a war, 1$/km2. You unfortunately missed the peaceful solution. I'm seriously concerned for the near future. More and more deaths will come  and you can never fully prepare for it as you said... The world is full of bloody fanatic terrorists who can just do it anywhere they want to. Sad, but highly possible. You just cannot police every square kilometer on the world unless you try to build a world like 1984...
Do you have another solution? Hate causes hate, murder causes bloodshed. Any optimization algorithm results with a peaceful solution. Please weak up and stop this war.
Peace!
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bjlt
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 06:28:22
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| Well I don't think one may make such a war for his private interests only or he's nothing but an evil. The US government must have analyzed the pros and cons and made the decision. I didn't mean in terms of money it will get benefits but they must have thought overall it's worth doing so. Things would have been much different if the first bombs have killed Sadam, but now as the war's going on I serously doubt what will happen to the whole world later. I doubt Americans can get what they want from this war. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 06:49:24
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Those of you opposing the actions of the United States and its allies. You have been giving many facts and you've chosen to ignore them or your only reply is, "it's a lie" or you quote Twain and other individuals, but you provide no facts, just opinions. That is weak!
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snerdley
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:02:05
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You unfortunately missed the peaceful solution......
Unfortunately, there is no peaceful solution in this instance. That was proved over a 12 year duration. Reality = sometimes there will be no "peaceful solution." This fact will never be accepted by some.
That's where the hard part comes in......... staying vigilante, always watching, anylizing all available intel, listening to trusted advisors, and then, and only then, making the hard and tough decisions. 'Tis not an easy thing to go to war, as a lot of folks here seem to think. We made the choice based on all of the above, and in the best interests of protecting our country. I won't rehash all of the reasons here, if you don't believe sadaam should be removed from power by now, you never will. And it would not have happened through the U.N.
That's my solution....... Peace, through force when necessary. I know that "you" cannot accept any use of force outside of U.N. approval, but we as a nation simply cannot and will not entrust our protection to anyone but ourselves.
We did the right thing by going to the U.N., but when two of the bigger member nations turned out to be the main suppliers of weapons and nuclear materials to this ruthless dictator, do you really think we had a chance of them agreeing to our request? We Americans may be naive sometimes, but we "ain't stupid."
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bjlt
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:02:24
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Heynow
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:03:39
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Originally posted by bjlt
Heynow777 what are you refering to?
This thread. |
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bjlt
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:05:51
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| What's your idea on the US support to Sadam and Mr Rumfeld's position on chemical weapons in the 80s? You can see the article in Guardian which link is in the previous page by bozden. |
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bjlt
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:07:18
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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Originally posted by bjlt
Heynow777 what are you refering to?
This thread.
Yes I know it's this thread I'm afraid it's too long a thread now. I did see some facts by who's against the war, so would you please name one or two you need facts for? |
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Heynow
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:18:55
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Originally posted by bjlt
What's your idea on the US support to Sadam and Mr Rumfeld's position on chemical weapons in the 80s? You can see the article in Guardian which link is in the previous page by bozden.
I believe our involvment in that war was wrong, but now we are in 2003. |
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snerdley
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:20:06
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Originally posted by bjlt
What's your idea on the US support to Sadam and Mr Rumfeld's position on chemical weapons in the 80s? You can see the article in Guardian which link is in the previous page by bozden.
Don't need to read it. Any decisions or actions taken earlier in life can come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass. Was it a stupid thing to do? Most likely, although it was probably a choice of the lesser of two evils. Now we'll rectify it and make it right, and hopefully not make such boners again in the future(hope of all hope, politics ya know!).
But as usual, the past is brought up as what? Reason that we shouldn't be doing this? I don't know, I thought we were all looking for solutions here, not to throw around I-Told-You-So's. What's your idea for a solution, other than the U.N.? They proved that they cannot follow through on their own resolutions.
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Heynow
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:22:27
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Originally posted by bjlt
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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Originally posted by bjlt
Heynow777 what are you refering to?
This thread.
Yes I know it's this thread I'm afraid it's too long a thread now. I did see some facts by who's against the war, so would you please name one or two you need facts for?
But you haven't seen any other facts? |
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bjlt
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Posted - 26 March 2003 : 07:47:53
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Originally posted by snerdley
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Originally posted by bjlt
What's your idea on the US support to Sadam and Mr Rumfeld's position on chemical weapons in the 80s? You can see the article in Guardian which link is in the previous page by bozden.
Don't need to read it. Any decisions or actions taken earlier in life can come back to haunt you and bite you in the ass. Was it a stupid thing to do? Most likely, although it was probably a choice of the lesser of two evils. Now we'll rectify it and make it right, and hopefully not make such boners again in the future(hope of all hope, politics ya know!).
But as usual, the past is brought up as what? Reason that we shouldn't be doing this? I don't know, I thought we were all looking for solutions here, not to throw around I-Told-You-So's. What's your idea for a solution, other than the U.N.? They proved that they cannot follow through on their own resolutions.
I would like to see why we need such a war now first, otherwise there's no other solution as you've decided this is the only solution.
About the past, I don't mean to show your past to gainst you now, you maybe wrong before but you've changed to be a good one now but many people will doubt the reasons why the US need such a war, if your past in not trust worthy you cannot be trust now and isn't this your logic? then the US is not worth the trust as well. |
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