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GauravBhabu
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 Posted - 25 March 2003 : 22:48:52
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Originally posted by Heynow777
...It's a little disturbing that those that oppose the war, are not critical or have any blame towards Saddam.
I suggest if you are seeking to discuss Saddam you may start a new topic. But that is your choice again...
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Doug G
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 22:50:04
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
Alfred, you have the ability to delete your own replies.
Ah, a breath of fresh air 
(before this is misinterpreted, the fresh air is of a technical nature, no reference to any content :)
(Geez, I should have refreshed this topic before I just edited what was the last entry on my screen 
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 22:51:34
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
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Originally posted by Heynow777
...It's a little disturbing that those that oppose the war, are not critical or have any blame towards Saddam.
I suggest if you are seeking to discuss Saddam you may start a new topic. But that is your choice again...
ummm, in case you haven't noticed, Saddam plays a major role in this war. If you choose to ignore that, then that is your choice. |
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 22:53:06
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Originally posted by Doug G
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
Alfred, you have the ability to delete your own replies.
Ah, a breath of fresh air
Why is that?
Edited: Ok, my bad... |
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Reinsnitz
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USA
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 22:56:16
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Originally posted by seahorse
Would we as Americans appreciate the freedoms we enjoy if our ancestors hadn't fought for US independence from Britain?
Part of this whole issue is that young americans don't apreciate the indeptendence we have won.
Though your statement is also in error that we, the United States, helped to change the face of the world today, we have shared our morals and governmental structure with all the free nations of the world. The simple fact that by exporting democracy to other nations, they begin to see freedom of life, and proffitable living. Japan is a good example... Australia, Russia, dare I say England? (The US was the template that they all were built on today, and none of those sacrificed much for their new found freedom, it was handed to them on a silver platter and they accepted. |
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Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 22:57:14
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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Originally posted by Doug G
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
Alfred, you have the ability to delete your own replies.
Ah, a breath of fresh air
Why is that?
A light harted moment in a very grave discussion :) very fresh air :) |
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Doug G
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 23:01:59
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Originally posted by Heynow777
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Originally posted by Doug G
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
Alfred, you have the ability to delete your own replies.
Ah, a breath of fresh air
Why is that?
See my edit above for an explanation. |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 23:02:43
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Originally posted by Heynow777
ummm, in case you haven't noticed, Saddam plays a major role in this war. If you choose to ignore that, then that is your choice.
There is nothing as to Ignore something. Read the subject and the first post in the topic. Why you insist on starting a new discussion or add an extension, at least it seems so to me and you and others may disagree, in an already lengthy discussion. |
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Doug G
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Heynow
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 23:17:43
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
quote:
Originally posted by Heynow777
ummm, in case you haven't noticed, Saddam plays a major role in this war. If you choose to ignore that, then that is your choice.
There is nothing as to Ignore something. Read the subject and the first post in the topic. Why you insist on starting a new discussion or add an extension, at least it seems so to me and you and others may disagree, in an already lengthy discussion.
hmmmm....
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
The discussion is about "International War Opinion". USA has attacked Iraq. And thus there are posts in Support and Against the action. No one has posted to defend Saddam or Iraqi Regime.
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Originally posted by GauravBhabu
Perhaps no one disagrees with the loss of life on 911. Whether Sadaam was behind it or not is not proved either way. So making that incident as a case to attack Iraq is just like hanging a person who is not Guilty.
Are we living in a world where Everyone is Guilty until proven Innocent Or Everyone is Innocent until Proven Guilty?
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 23:18:14
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Originally posted by bozden
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Originally posted by Rasco
I remember this pictures as well, but it was proved, that they were a couple of years old and had nothing to do with 911
This was part of the dis-information they told to US citizens and UN...
Pictures don't lie... film doesn't lie... The reason so many things here get repeated is because you keep denying the truth my friend, simple facts that are known the world over.
There is mis-information (not showing ever and showing only selected parts) and dis-information (changing the truth).
The US government and the media have been using both for a long time. According to them:
- Taha Yasin is dead 3 times
- Tarik Aziz is dead 3 times
- Saddam's family go to and come back between two worlds
- You get a city but next day it turns out that you didn't
- The tanks go so speedy so that they should have reached the North Pole until now
- etc etc
I think it is usual that a government censors the news, or make up news. Don't forget, the cameras can only enter areas where they are allowed, and they travel with the army. It is up to you to know this usual behavior and filter/judge the truth inside.
For example, the Scud missiles of the second day turned out to be a dis-information, and the factory that was producing unknown chemicals is lost somehow. Perhaps they will appear back after some installation is done (just to point out that there is a possibility for this).
On the visuals... I you can easily cut&paste them, you can pass them through a computer, there may be "a time & place shift" (all Arabs look alike and they have always had meetings against USA). Similar stuff had been used in UN with the help of computer generated images as "evidence".
There are no independent news sources who can access. So I watch both sides and decide AFTER I'm a bit more sure of something. I don't jump into a news title and yell.
The films that were in question were proved to be old, but I cannot find a link for it now.
The Iraq TV side, it is an interesting mess of course, I watch them, but silently. Governments are guilty until they are proved to be not guilty .
Mike, my friend, if you continue to believe in your government so blindly, I can not be of any help and we will repeat the same stuff over and over  ...
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RichardKinser
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 23:36:03
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Alfred
Senior Member
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 23:36:51
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Originally posted by RichardKinser
Alfred, you have the ability to delete your own replies.
Ah, yes - now I succeeded.
When I got denied on my first try (using a wrong password) I assumed I did not have the right. |
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Heynow
Junior Member
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Posted - 25 March 2003 : 23:39:24
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Originally posted by bozden
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Originally posted by reinsnitz
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Originally posted by bozden
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Originally posted by Rasco
I remember this pictures as well, but it was proved, that they were a couple of years old and had nothing to do with 911
This was part of the dis-information they told to US citizens and UN...
Pictures don't lie... film doesn't lie... The reason so many things here get repeated is because you keep denying the truth my friend, simple facts that are known the world over.
There is mis-information (not showing ever and showing only selected parts) and dis-information (changing the truth).
The US government and the media have been using both for a long time. According to them:
- Taha Yasin is dead 3 times
- Tarik Aziz is dead 3 times
- Saddam's family go to and come back between two worlds
- You get a city but next day it turns out that you didn't
- The tanks go so speedy so that they should have reached the North Pole until now
- etc etc
I think it is usual that a government censors the news, or make up news. Don't forget, the cameras can only enter areas where they are allowed, and they travel with the army. It is up to you to know this usual behavior and filter/judge the truth inside.
For example, the Scud missiles of the second day turned out to be a dis-information, and the factory that was producing unknown chemicals is lost somehow. Perhaps they will appear back after some installation is done (just to point out that there is a possibility for this).
On the visuals... I you can easily cut&paste them, you can pass them through a computer, there may be "a time & place shift" (all Arabs look alike and they have always had meetings against USA). Similar stuff had been used in UN with the help of computer generated images as "evidence".
There are no independent news sources who can access. So I watch both sides and decide AFTER I'm a bit more sure of something. I don't jump into a news title and yell.
The films that were in question were proved to be old, but I cannot find a link for it now.
The Iraq TV side, it is an interesting mess of course, I watch them, but silently. Governments are guilty until they are proved to be not guilty .
Mike, my friend, if you continue to believe in your government so blindly, I can not be of any help and we will repeat the same stuff over and over ...
You only believe what you want to believe. Just so you know, we have a free media in this country.
You are trying to get your point across, but you only want to discuss your facts and no others. That is extremely one sided. |
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