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drirene
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 Posted - 09 March 2003 : 19:38:28
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| The more I think about it, the more I think this is, and should be, America's war. Other nations weren't hit the way we were. Why would they care the way we do? I guess it seems silly to me that continue to look for allies when their constituents fry them at home. I'd like to see us just zoop in alone, get it over with, and take it from there. |
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seven
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 14 March 2003 : 23:29:33
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What to do if you happen upon a peace rally by anti-war protesters to teach them why force is sometimes needed:
1) Approach the person talking about "peace" and saying there should be, "no retaliation."
2) Engage in brief conversation, ask if military force is appropriate.
3) When he says "No," ask, "Why not?"
4) Wait until he says something to the effect of, "Because that would just cause more innocent deaths, which would be awful and we should not cause more violence."
5) When he's in mid sentence, punch him in the face as hard as you can.
6) When he gets back up to up to punch you, point out that it would be a mistake and contrary to his values to strike you, because that would, "be awful and he should not cause more violence."
7) Wait until he agrees that he has pledged not to commit additional violence.
8) Punch him in the face again, harder this time.
Repeat steps 5 through 8 until they understand that sometimes it is necessary to punch back.
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tomw
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 15 March 2003 : 23:26:26
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Well folks I am a long time Snitz lurker, very few posts, I don’t usually have the time, but this thread is very interesting, I want to thank you all, it was very interesting, I read every word.
I hope that everybody who participated here to date was influenced in their respective positions, because none of them (mine included, is exactly correct or right.
Every single one of us is a product of our environment, education and basic genetic capability. (I am just smart enough to know I am not the sharpest knife in the drawer)…
I know that I have been influenced, no I have not changed my basic position, but I better understand how each of you can take your position, and I am better for that.
Thank you, especially to the non USA Snitz members, bozden, ruirib & Morten etc.
I will not expend a lot of your time expressing my point of view, it is not particularly unique, just another moderate Republican.
Good will to you all!
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dssww
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 18 March 2003 : 13:02:27
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Originally posted by bozden
I also don't understand why you are pushing me. It is not me what we talk about. It is the United States gývernment's criminal activities and all the suffer they cause all around the world, this time to Iraqis and to Turkey.
I'll try to calm down. I'm afraid I'm too much angry today! I cannot belive these crazy things happen.
I refuse to answer any personal attacks hereafter.
You must be kiding, or a fool. The american people are the most generous in the world, far from making the world suffer. I guess the millions of muslims murdered by Sadaam don't mean anything to you. |
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ruirib
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Posted - 18 March 2003 : 13:14:18
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You must be kiding, or a fool. The american people are the most generous in the world, far from making the world suffer. I guess the millions of muslims murdered by Sadaam don't mean anything to you.
This is a post that has not seen much activity. I fail to see the point in reviving it and name calling at people, just because they have a difference of opinion. |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 18 March 2003 : 13:39:41
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Originally posted by dssww
...The american people are the most generous in the world, ...
How do you know? Have you seen the World? |
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Carefree
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Philippines
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Posted - 18 March 2003 : 15:18:23
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| Guarav - I have. I've lived in 34 countries and traveled to many more. I know that time-after-time, Americans have rebuilt countries after defeating them in war (in contrast to the typical practice of looting them). Americans have given billions and billions of dollars in foreign aid, food, etc.; to many countries, including some which had been recently considered enemies (i.e.; Soviet Republic). Name one (1) country which Saddam has sent billions to ... |
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GauravBhabu
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Posted - 18 March 2003 : 16:37:37
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Anything you said does not make Americans Most Generous at all. And I did not know Generosity is measured in Dollars...
It is amazing you only found Saddam to compare with USA.
Even Sadaam built infrastructure, facilities and everything for his country. If he is defiant towards USA today, only things talked about are bad deeds. What went wrong?
I do not support anyone (Bush or Saddam) who is cause of killing or kills another human being.
All countries in Middle east has come a long way. They have developed so much and are continuing to do so... The governments in these countries have best and most advanced infrastructure, facilities available for their citizens and residents. These countries have not piled up Weapons and Bombs. If Iraq, Iran, Israel have these you will find the source of these weapons to countries who today object to it and always look for an opportunity to establish there basis in the Middle East to control that region, which is being envied by the world.
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Posted - 18 March 2003 : 17:23:53
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I don't understand how people can be so hearth-breaking and rude. I don't blame the nation at all - how can a sentient being do that? But, it is extremely likely that you are misinformed on the facts and international affairs. Do you all "listen" (something that you don't do with your ears) to other voices and opinions at all? Be frank please...
It is so eminent to me and to a large majority, that the coming war is not related to Sep. 11th, Al Queda, Saddam or WMD. It is the war of power: Power on oil, power on middle east, power on the world. Next, the Palestine will be eliminated, then to put more pressure on China (future enemy  ) North Korea crisis will come, then take one country from Africa...
Today, south-east regions of my country is invaded by American troops. Tomorrow, the Turkish Council will decide to join the war, and this will be remembered as a black day in Turkish history. For what reason?
Just think once again before making people suffer, and be killed... Read, "listen", feel, once again before you go sleep... I condemn all kinds of terrorism and hate violance, do you?
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TestMagic
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 18 March 2003 : 17:40:27
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I don't understand how people can be so hearth-breaking and rude.
bozden, I wouldn't worry so much about what one person has said. Most of us here have a lot of respect for you. 
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Tomorrow, the Turkish Council will decide to join the war, and this will be remembered as a black day in Turkish history. For what reason?
I just heard a Turkish emissary in an interview on the radio this morning. He claimed that Turkey would allow the US forces to use Turkey as a base. |
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sr_erick
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 18 March 2003 : 18:39:03
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Just think once again before making people suffer, and be killed... Read, "listen", feel, once again before you go sleep... I condemn all kinds of terrorism and hate violance, do you?
I do not like war as well, or the killing of people who are innocent, but not every issue can be solved in a calm matter. It would not work to have the enemy sit down at a tea party with us and discuss issues. Bush has tryed to, and is still trying to, solve these issues in a calm and quite politically correct matter. Sometimes war is inevitable, this is one of those times. |
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seven
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jimlord
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USA
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Posted - 19 March 2003 : 19:52:13
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It is so eminent to me and to a large majority, that the coming war is not related to Sep. 11th, Al Queda, Saddam or WMD. It is the war of power: Power on oil, power on middle east, power on the world. Next, the Palestine will be eliminated, then to put more pressure on China (future enemy ) North Korea crisis will come, then take one country from Africa...
bozden, I have quite a bit of respect for your positions, but to believe the above statement really makes me question your position. I think it can be loosely related to Sept 11 and Al Queda from a new policy standpoint. It is certainly related to Saddam and WMD by his refusal to follow the agreement he made after Kuwait was liberated. It is at least about the legitimacy of UN resolutions and meaning what they say they mean. It is simply not for oil. We have that, and we can get it elsewhere. Look at the history of US involvement in the Middle East. On the one hand, you can say it's meddlesome, etc., but without the U.S. as a buyer, the Middle East would have much less importance in the economic world (although not the cultural and religious world). But you'll have a hard time demonstrating where the U.S. was involved militarily and ended up taking over the country. We have helped Middle East and Muslim countries time and again. Have we made mistakes? Certainly. But on the whole, I think we've been a pretty good "HyperPower". As for the comment on Palestine, have you read any of the "Two State" proposals? I believe we're actually calling for statehood for Palestine, not its obliteration. That's more than can be said for some groups/countries position towards Israel. :) |
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Reinsnitz
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USA
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Posted - 19 March 2003 : 21:25:28
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Good thread folks, I have to say, it's very interesting to hear everyone's opinions.
One difference to remember between countries as you judge these posts:
- Some of the countries represented here have free press, some do not. Our press in the United States is very liberal, but they fail to cover the truth even when they try. Some other countries, like those in most of the middle east and europe are government controled, their people will never in the short term hear the truth of what is happening in the world.
- The US President acts in the interests of the people of the US.
I support our country and our president 100%, to ignore a war hungry tyrant like Sadam now, is to call for a future World War.
Boz, and others who are oposed to the US involvement in the Middle East, I hope you read the next statement.
Remember, when this war is over, and the US helps to re-build Iraqe, when the US helps to re-equip the oil fields of the desert, and when the US turns them over to the people of Iraqe with no strings attatched so that they can rebuild their society and culture in freedom and liberty. Watch for these things to happen. I know you don't think they will, but watch... this is what will happen, as it has happened for the past century of US forign interactions.
Please just watch... have faith, and learn what the heart of American interjection is.
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Posted - 19 March 2003 : 22:09:15
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- Some of the countries represented here have free press, some do not. Our press in the United States is very liberal, but they fail to cover the truth even when they try. Some other countries, like those in most of the middle east and europe are government controled, their people will never in the short term hear the truth of what is happening in the world.
I admit that some countries in Middle East are not democratic enough. I also admit, that Turkey - as an European country - does not have enough democracy, interrupted "too many" times by the involvement of the army. But I don't admit that US is more democratic than an European country (including Turkey) is (in fact I think the opposite). Currently anti-war protests in Turkey are interrupted by the police forces harshly, for the sake of Turkey-US relationships.
I admit that the media all around the world is too much "liberal" in a negative way, people/companies who own the media corrupt the facts for their own interest. They are not independent, but there are a good number of free media sources who do say what has to be said.
The 5-6% of Turkish people who are FOR Turkish involvement in the war (with US) are mainly who will profit from this. Bare capitalists (who would profit from the money that would come as US financial aid), construction work owners (who will profit from re-construction of a ruined country), those who deal with oil (mostly in conjunction with multi-national oil companies) etc...
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- The US President acts in the interests of the people of the US.
Mike, which "interest"?
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Boz, and others who are oposed to the US involvement in the Middle East, I hope you read the next statement.
I read/listen any sentient statement . But it should read: "US involvement in anywhere"...
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Remember, when this war is over, and the US helps to re-build Iraqe, when the US helps to re-equip the oil fields of the desert, and when the US turns them over to the people of Iraqe with no strings attatched so that they can rebuild their society and culture in freedom and liberty. Watch for these things to happen. I know you don't think they will, but watch... this is what will happen, as it has happened for the past century of US forign interactions.
Please just watch... have faith, and learn what the heart of American interjection is.
I really doubt it.
As the initial anti-aircraft over Bagdat tells us that something started to roll (waiting to hear W on CNN in 20 minutes), there is nothing more to do for us except hope it finishes ASAP.
I'm not only suffering for Iraqians, but also for US soldiers  ...
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