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Roland
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 Posted - 21 January 2003 : 13:28:44
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I read this on Cnet News.com the other day, and did want to say something about it. First, the URL so you'll know what I'm talking about  http://news.com.com/2100-1023-981281.html
If I understand it correctly, the record industry has finally realised that they won't be able to stop file sharing. People don't buy MP3s, and don't want to buy a CD with 16 songs (lmao... nowadays you should count yourself lucky if you get 12 songs on a CD) of which they only really like three or four songs. So to still get some of the money back that they lost through the dropping of CD sales (whose fault is that, really? They put less songs on each CD but raise the prices at the same time. € 20 -- or $20, whatever you prefer -- isn't uncommon for a normal CD), they want to charge ISPs for the file sharing behavior of their users?
I believe that if this would turn out to come true, it woouldn't stop the people who already engage in file sharing. At the same time, people who don't use "sevices" like Kazaa would see no reason not to. After all, they are paying for the files they can get and share, so if they wouldn't share some files, they'd be paying for something they don't do. You don't get pay-tv when you don't use it either, do you? At least that's how I see it.
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Bookie
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 14:38:54
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| I just think the music companies are way too greedy. Why not be happy that their music is getting out there in the hands of the general public? Maybe they should accept the fact that the medium of music is changing and always has. I personally do not own any 8-track tapes or vinyl records. I do not purchase cassettes anymore. Maybe in a few years I won't buy any more CDs because there is something better. That's one aspect of it. I've got more thoughts on the matter but I have to get them organized in my head before I make any more comments. |
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Doug G
Support Moderator
USA
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 14:55:09
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If you like the band, you shouldn't steal their music, the band won't get paid. If you don't like them, well ... :)
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TestMagic
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 15:21:25
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Well charging ISPs is ridiculous, IMHO. Are they also going to try to charge WinAmp, speaker companies, the companies that make the chairs that we sit in while we're downloading music?
The key is to make CDs cheaper or to make it easier to download music. I once downloaded a song from CDNOW, not realizing how ridiculously difficult it would be to play the song. I paid about $2.50 for a single, after which I had to download the Liquid Audio player, since the format was proprietary, and after that, learned that if I wanted to play the song on another computer, I'd have to "migrate" it, or something like that. I've listened to that song once, and will likely not use that service again.
I have had loads of questions about the ethics of digital music. For example, is it ethical to download a song that you already have on CD? Or even to rip a song from a CD to play on your computer? What about a song that's out of print? Or a song that you know you would never, ever buy (in the existing formats, i.e., pay $17.98 just to get the one song you like). Or download music to listen to it before you buy the CD? What about if you have the CD, but it's so old, that it's too scratched to listen to it anymore? |
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Bookie
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 15:32:43
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I would imagine that if you paid for the CD/cassette/whatever, you have the right to download the mp3 file.
I haven't used file sharing programs in a long time. Within the past year, I will admit, if I got my hands on a friend's CD I would either copy the CD or rip them to my computer. Recently, I bought a bunch of CDs through BMG music and I bought some of the CDs that I already had copied because I felt bad about it. I figured since I listen to them, I should pay the money for it.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to download a song here and there to listen to it and, if you like it, go out and buy the CD. If you don't like it, delete it. |
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 15:53:34
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Why should they make the CDs cheaper when people are paying the current prices? If the current prices were too high, then no one would buy them.
There is no argument anyone can give that legitimizes using file swapping networks to swap copies of software/music with other people unless given express permission by the copyright owner of that software/music. |
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TestMagic
Senior Member
USA
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seven
Senior Member
USA
1037 Posts |
Posted - 21 January 2003 : 17:21:08
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| File swapping fits in the same category as removing the snitz copyright tag... |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 17:28:47
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There is no argument anyone can give that legitimizes.....
I could give you a pretty big list of artists who have record contracts with major companies who would argue very strongly otherwise, and many of them get a big thrill when they come across one of their own songs. A vary vary small percentage of the sale of a cd goes to the artist, and if they didn't write any of the songs, then they get nothing but a sallary from the music company, it is only when you write a song which is broadcast/copied etc that an artist makes money, and most royalties do not come from record sales, they come from tv/film and radio plays. |
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 17:38:43
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| Why do the artists sign the contracts if they aren't happy with the way they are being compensated? |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 18:11:26
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| I didn't say they weren't happy, but it is mostly the record companies complaining, not the artists. |
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RichardKinser
Snitz Forums Admin
USA
16655 Posts |
Posted - 21 January 2003 : 19:20:42
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ok, just wondering.  |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 21 January 2003 : 19:51:04
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| I remember there being a similar objection when I was a kid to tapes, when tape cassettes first started to hit the markets, nearly every vinyl record you bought (if you remember them) carried a big 'HOME TAPING IS KILLING MUSIC' advert, it actually had the opposite effect and introduced music to a much wider ordience than previously,who went on to buy records. |
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Nathan
Help Moderator
USA
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 20:51:45
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nearly every vinyl record you bought
You mean they actually sold music on that stuff?
I just buy all my music these days. There are places (like Columbia House) that you can buy CD's in bulk for rediculusly cheap. I just get together with my mom and sisters and compile a big list and buy them all at once. Then I have a clear consiesnce when I rip them to my hard drive and loan the disks to my sisters 
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File swapping fits in the same category as removing the snitz copyright tag...
Well, there are two reasons that not exactly correct. (A) Not ALL file swapping is illegal and (B) no ones getting payed for Snitz, so, while removing the tag is illegal and wrong, it's not hurting someones business.
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TestMagic
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 21 January 2003 : 21:28:26
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| Yeah, seems to me that "back in the day," nobody thought twice of taping friends' music or borrowing records to copy a song or two to tape. Or taping a TV show. Or photocopying an article. Or other things like that. |
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Bookie
Average Member
USA
856 Posts |
Posted - 21 January 2003 : 22:13:55
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| Regardless if downloading music/files is right or wrong, I enjoy being able to pop a CD in my player that doesn't say Memorex or Imation and being able to look through the liner notes of an album. |
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