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@tomic
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 Posted - 20 November 2002 : 14:24:48
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And we all know cheap is popular. Everyone wants something for nothing. It gets old after a while, but one of these days, the free rides will be over.
My point is just that one shouldn't look just at how popular something is but why. I know some people swear by Unix and PHP but that's where I started and at first was not thrilled by Windows servers. Now, a few years down the road, I will always pay more for Windows hosting and enjoy the benfits that come along with it. I look back at what I dealt with on the Unix boxes and shudder. And would anyone here actually prefer mySQL to SQL 2000 if both were free? I didn't think so...
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BinaryBoy
Starting Member
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Posted - 20 November 2002 : 15:24:25
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lol... Hard to compare like that when MS SQL will never be free (not legally anyway).
I personally haven't done much with MySQL but have heard many good things about it. |
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@tomic
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Posted - 20 November 2002 : 16:17:47
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The only good thing I have heard about mySQL is that it's free. It could save my company a lot of money to switch to mySQL but guess what...fat chance! With it being free and all you would think everyone would want to use it, eh? What's holding everyone back?
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BinaryBoy
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 20 November 2002 : 16:19:58
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| Same thing that holds a lot of companies back from using Linux... Lack of knowledge in their IT departments. |
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@tomic
Senior Member
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Posted - 20 November 2002 : 16:48:33
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No, we've looked into these things and Linux is hardly ready to replace Windows. mySQL is not a replacement for SQL 2000. Not by a longshot. Where's the Linux version of Photoshop? Can you DTS with mySQL? No, Linux and mySQL are great for the discount crowd that loves to hate Microsoft but when you want to get some work done you use Microsoft.
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BinaryBoy
Starting Member
USA
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Posted - 20 November 2002 : 16:55:37
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lol... I wasn't talking about as a desktop replacement. I was talking more along the server lines. But as for Photoshop there is Gimp for Linux. Linux has been proven many times over to be MUCH more stable then any server software in the MS line. You definately don't want to get into the security differences between the two. The security in MS products has always been a joke.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a MS developer and I only have one Linux box at home. All of my other machines are MS. I use the products that work the best for the task I'm trying to accomplish. Linux is obviously my server at home. |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
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Posted - 20 November 2002 : 17:05:36
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Originally posted by BinaryBoy
lol... Hard to compare like that when MS SQL will never be free (not legally anyway).
I personally haven't done much with MySQL but have heard many good things about it.
I was reading good things about MySQL when it absolutely stank. I would never, ever advise anyone who was serious into database development to use MySQL (this was about 2 years ago). Not strangely, the vast majority of the people I heard talking good things about MySQL were not serious DB developers. MySQL was lacking some serious features back then).
They've improved since then, but as @tomic wrote, given the chance to use both, I would never, ever trade MS SQL Server by MySQL.
The same goes about for Linux vs. Windows. For years I programmed a lotta apps in Unix systems (DEC, HP). Unix was the common OS at the Universities back then (heck, Windows hadn't show up back when I started doing it). Gradually Windows started to gain ground and today I would only go back to Unix / Linux if I had absolutely no other choice. Productivity wise, Windows and Windows development tools beat the hell out of Linux (believe me, I know what I'm talking about. I spent entire mornings to handcraft dialog boxes using Motif). Yeah, things improved a bit on the Linux side too, but the dev tools in Windows are simply better. Just MVHO, of course. |
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@tomic
Senior Member
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1790 Posts |
Posted - 20 November 2002 : 19:45:20
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That's basically it in a nutshell. With MS you get great tools but with them comes expense. Believe me, I do not knock UNIX or Linux or even mySQL but I prefer MS. It's cost me a lot of $$$, though.
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alex042
Average Member
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Posted - 21 November 2002 : 00:23:29
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MySQL was lacking some serious features back then
The current version provided by most hosting companies is evidentially still missing some features to make it a true relational database, but then again, many consumers don't need this so they don't miss the features it may be lacking. However, I believe it's sister database, PostgreSQL, IS supposed to be relational if you can find a host that supports it.
For me, either should do, but like many others, I don't have Enterprise Manager and am not sure of another way to have a direct interface with MS SQL, so it's easier to setup a mySQL database.
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@tomic
Senior Member
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Posted - 21 November 2002 : 00:56:14
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I don't have Enterprise Manager and am not sure of another way to have a direct interface with MS SQL
Access works wonderfully and there is an ASP version of the Enterprise Manager as well as TableEdit. You can also download the Enterprise Manager for free. It's included in the SQL 2000 demo but the Enterprise Manager does not expire.
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Jeepaholic
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BinaryBoy
Starting Member
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Posted - 21 November 2002 : 13:38:56
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I totally agree that if you are going for easy of use (and easier on development) you should definately go with MS (which I do) but when it comes to certain applications, like having a PC setup as a router/firewall, Linux is definately the way to go because of the superior stability and security.
As I said, all of our PC's at home are Windows machines except for our server. And that server *NEVER* goes down unless the power is out long enough for the UPS to die. I *NEVER* have to reboot that machine for any reason. The other cool thing about it is I don't need nearly as much power to run it so it's definately cost effective (it's only a 200mhz PC with 32megs of RAM). |
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@tomic
Senior Member
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Posted - 21 November 2002 : 14:11:00
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As I said, all of our PC's at home are Windows machines except for our server. And that server *NEVER* goes down unless the power is out long enough for the UPS to die. I *NEVER* have to reboot that machine for any reason. The other cool thing about it is I don't need nearly as much power to run it so it's definately cost effective (it's only a 200mhz PC with 32megs of RAM).
Well, we do have to reboot once ot twice a month costing us up to 20 minutes downtime a month. Personally, I can live with that. We use some UNIX servers at work for critical tasks but the rest are MS because we deal with so many MS files(xls,mdb,doc) so Linux would never work for what we need. I am looking into a Linux machine at home for a proxy server, though.
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BinaryBoy
Starting Member
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Posted - 21 November 2002 : 14:33:39
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| Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing (for the most part). I only run a couple of other applications on my Linux box at home (a bouncer and a voice communcation server). |
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Reinsnitz
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