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@tomic
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 Posted - 30 September 2002 : 05:47:50
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It would be wonderfull if Saddam got the hold of nuclear weaponry in the coming years. Then the only option to contain him will be the use of nuclear weapons too. I'm sure that's what you'd like to see, right?
The role nuclear weapons play is that of deterrent. The USA, France, UK, Pakistan, India, Israel, China Russian Federation and a few I am surely forgetting have had nuclear weapons for years. Saddam merely seeks the protection and prestige nuclear weapons confer. But this protection only goes so far. It becomes a weapon that can never be used. The argument that he would be the one leader in the world to just build one and use it(oh I forgot Truman is the only one so far) is pure propaganda and baseless fear. If there is any danger it's to Iraq's immediate neighbors and they seem content to let him have them. Let them sweat it out but this fear about the big bad Sadam coming to get us all with nukes is just plain silly. it would be laughable if it were not for the powers that be trying to start another world war over it.
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 06:26:00
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I saw a nice protest against globalization in DC yesterday also. The march continues, it is looking like 1968  .
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Doug G
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 11:58:38
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Bring back People's Park! Demonstrations at the admin building at 2! I hope these days come back because the music was so much better then than now. My informal survey has over 50% of the car commercials on tv using a rock song that's over 25 years old.
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 12:32:13
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Hey, my ebay name is xhippie
Bring back People's Park! Demonstrations at the admin building at 2! I hope these days come back because the music was so much better then than now. My informal survey has over 50% of the car commercials on tv using a rock song that's over 25 years old.
Absolutely  . I wonder "how many roads must a man walk down" to get those days back?
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xstream
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 13:10:50
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And I heard one man speak who really made me stop and think. He was an American weapons inspector who had been in Iraq, and who stated point blank that the 'Dossier' was untrue. Lies. Propoganda. He was a good man, and a good American who stood for everything enshrined in the US constitution.
That inspector is probably the same one who went before Congress when Clinton was president and said that Iraq would have weapons of mass destruction within 6 months. Now that a Republican president is in office his story is changing.
I think it's the same guy. Fox news had some video clips of the guy saying one thing, and then recently changing his story.
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VodkaFish
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 15:00:11
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Random thought on protets: well, look at the name "protest", you never see people marching to support something, so 250k protesting is versus how many supporting? Why don't all these people have jobs? I never understood that. Sorry to get off topic, I'm just always confused by those.
As fot that inspector - I have seen speeches from him now and a few years ago. He's either lying now or then. Or he's paying paid to lie now or then. Doesn't really matter. His story has changed in a time where he was not involved with the Iraqis anymore. That shoulnd't happen. I understand he may not want another war, and that's ok, but he should ease into his stories a bit if he wants people to take his word for anything anymore. Oh, I also saw him on a couple of tv shows where he was treated with (polite) skepticism and he was extremely rude. His manner did not help his cause. |
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@tomic
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 15:27:42
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Random thought on protets: well, look at the name "protest", you never see people marching to support something, so 250k protesting is versus how many supporting? Why don't all these people have jobs? I never understood that. Sorry to get off topic, I'm just always confused by those.
I would say that the lack of a pro-Iraqi war demonstration says a lot. It also says a lot that a bunch of people spend their weekend to show what they think. It's the sign of a poor position when you have nothing to say except to knock people out voicing their opinions and wrongly accuse them of not working. Where does this "Why don't they have jobs" come from anyway? What does that have to do with anything especially since it is mere slander. What people do with their weekend is their business and as far as I know it's not a crime to take the weekend off. Have you ever taken a weekend off? If so, then should someone ask why you don't have a job? I find it hard to say anything bad about a bunch of people expressing their opinion in the democratic tradition. You should be admiring them for their idealism if not the ideal itself.
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Doug G
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 15:35:55
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Absolutely . I wonder "how many roads must a man walk down" to get those days back?
Ah, I suspect the answer is just blowing in the wind.
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 16:04:34
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Where does this "Why don't they have jobs" come from anyway? What does that have to do with anything especially since it is mere slander.
It can be that they don't have a job, also they could have used one day from their vacation period, they can be students, ...
If they are jobless, probably they lost their job in the last corruption case of globalism, maybe they used to work in Enron or Arthur Anderson  .
If you want I can compile some links about corruption, jobless & homeless people also ...
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xstream
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 20:49:20
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Random thought on protets: well, look at the name "protest", you never see people marching to support something, so 250k protesting is versus how many supporting? Why don't all these people have jobs? I never understood that. Sorry to get off topic, I'm just always confused by those.
I would say that the lack of a pro-Iraqi war demonstration says a lot. It also says a lot that a bunch of people spend their weekend to show what they think. It's the sign of a poor position when you have nothing to say except to knock people out voicing their opinions and wrongly accuse them of not working. Where does this "Why don't they have jobs" come from anyway? What does that have to do with anything especially since it is mere slander. What people do with their weekend is their business and as far as I know it's not a crime to take the weekend off. Have you ever taken a weekend off? If so, then should someone ask why you don't have a job? I find it hard to say anything bad about a bunch of people expressing their opinion in the democratic tradition. You should be admiring them for their idealism if not the ideal itself.
Well said. I might not agree with some people about the possibility of war with Iraq, but I do agree that being able to voice your opinion is what makes America great.
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@tomic
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 21:14:34
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Well said. I might not agree with some people about the possibility of war with Iraq, but I do agree that being able to voice your opinion is what makes America great.
I think this particular protest took place in the UK where voicing opinions is also allowed. That must be why they call it Great Britain 
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VodkaFish
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 21:27:30
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Originally posted by @tomic
I would say that the lack of a pro-Iraqi war demonstration says a lot. It also says a lot that a bunch of people spend their weekend to show what they think. It's the sign of a poor position when you have nothing to say except to knock people out voicing their opinions and wrongly accuse them of not working. Where does this "Why don't they have jobs" come from anyway? What does that have to do with anything especially since it is mere slander. What people do with their weekend is their business and as far as I know it's not a crime to take the weekend off. Have you ever taken a weekend off? If so, then should someone ask why you don't have a job? I find it hard to say anything bad about a bunch of people expressing their opinion in the democratic tradition. You should be admiring them for their idealism if not the ideal itself.
<edit>I feel my post was going way off topic, so I took some stuff out</edit>
Sorry, what inspired my post was protests in DC someone brought up about G7 items (read the 250k number in the other post and connected them by accident, my apologies, I was wrong about that). The DC protests that were violent on Friday (perhaps even Thurs). I have an opinion about class-structure, their values and who has the opportunity to attend these more. Opportunity, age, many things come into play with protests. I don't want to get long-winded as it's not about Iraq. What I knock is the violence that comes from many of these, which is what happened. I am not attacking any individual here, but yes, I have some problems with how masses of people sometimes react. I also didn't mean to imply that thousands of people are sitting around waiting for a cause while not working.
Also, as for my poor position: about the only position I stand ground on regarding the Iraqi issue is the fact that I said I hope it doesn't come to war, and I don't think my hopes are really much of a position in that case. I was merely rambling about the violent protests. |
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xstream
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Posted - 30 September 2002 : 21:29:30
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I think this particular protest took place in the UK where voicing opinions is also allowed. That must be why they call it Great Britain
I was going to say something smart, but figured it would be best to not pick on such a small country. 
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pdrg
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Posted - 01 October 2002 : 09:49:07
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lol@xstream - yeh maybe small but we do have 58 Million people! And we're still under the illusion that we hold an empire - don't blow it for us
Vodkafish, you'll be pleased to hear this was a very peaceful demo with a very peaceful atmosphere |
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