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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06 August 2002 : 15:54:11
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I also think people are getting confused over tabs and spaces too.
you should indent your code with tabs, it is a single ascii character rather than 8 if they were spaces, they have no effect whatsoever on the HTML outputted, but affect greatly the amount of data sent to the client.
you should use spaces in your text output because tabs don't work
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20584 Posts |
Posted - 06 August 2002 : 15:59:47
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Has anyone else noticed a really 'defensive' tone to the replies on this forum of late?
I've been away for a while, but when I came back I was really shocked at some of the minor 'text-scrapping' going on all over the place.
I'm not one to get involved in such scuffles, but three of my recent posts have been responded to (by experienced members) with an air of pomposity bordering on: 'we're doing it right and you are either doing wrong or are just stupid'.
From reading around there is a hint of suggestion that there is increasing tension in the run up to version 3.4 being released, with the admins and developers becoming increasingly fed up of requests for release dates and retorting in ever increasingly sharp responses. On the other hand, we have various members of the forum who believe that they have a right to product support and updates as if they had paid hundreds of pounds for this fine product.
In summary:
Admins, developers and certain other high profile members:
This is a quality product which has grown from both your own hard (and unpaid) work, the (unpaid) ideas of your peers and the friendly community which surrounds this project. Much of the success of the product is down to the latter, so please try not to 'slam' a members new idea or suggeestion, no matter how many times you are asked. You aren't necessarily a better developer.
Members:
This is a quality product which is available to you free of charge with only minor restrictions. Support and updates are provided by it's writers as a bonus. By its very nature, it is not a 'finished product' and maybe never will be with continuing evolution in the form of new ideas, mods and updates. If you choose to implement these forums on your systems you do so at your own risk. The writers are not responsible for it losing some or all of your data and are not obliged to help you. They could easily pack it all in tomorrow.
I hope this can be percieved by all as a balanced viewpoint as it is not intended to offend.
 D3mon
'Even if somebody told you the true meaning of life, you wouldn't believe them.'
We do not slam peoples ideas, I have looked at your recent posts, and don't understand how you got this impression.
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D3mon
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1685 Posts |
Posted - 06 August 2002 : 17:32:33
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On reflection,it might have been just one post combined with reading the conversations others have had.
I'm quite easily upset - but I've got a handle on it now and I don't fly back with curses and insults like I used to  .
Trouble with forum posting is its very easy to 'read between the lines' and get the wrong idea. I vote for a greater use of smilies all round to indicate the 'mood' of a post.
D3mon
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D3mon
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1685 Posts |
Posted - 06 August 2002 : 17:38:16
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I wish I could get into Dreamweaver, but I'm much too 'comfy' in Homsite.
D3mon
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20584 Posts |
Posted - 06 August 2002 : 17:50:32
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I wish I could get into Dreamweaver, but I'm much too 'comfy' in Homsite.
D3mon
'Even if somebody told you the true meaning of life, you wouldn't believe them.'
There is nothing wrong with homesite, I never use anything else.
You should definately be using tabs to indent your code and not spaces.
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D3mon
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1685 Posts |
Posted - 06 August 2002 : 18:05:26
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Homesite rocks for me because it will never screw around with my hand-written code and I've got all the little tools I need to hand, without having to change 'views' or packages. I use PhotoShop for my graphics and TopStyle for my CSS, while Homesite/WS_FTP handles my data xfer to my host.
Oddly enough though, being currently on the search for another 9-5 daily grind, I seem to always see 'Dreamweaver' written in job adverts like its the 'Holy Grail' of web dev.
Oh, I never use spaces, they're too small and don't make nice tidy indents (besides, Homesite has a nice indent / unindent feature that doesn't work with spaces.)
I do like to chop them out in response.write statements though. I guess I'm used to it now.
Sorry, I guess we strayed from the thread a bit here.
D3mon
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Davio
Development Team Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 06 August 2002 : 18:13:20
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Homesite is my main editor. I use Dreamweaver when I am too lazy to write up the html for a new page I am working on. After getting the overall layout in dreamweaver I switch back to homesite.
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
New Zealand
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Posted - 06 August 2002 : 18:56:11
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I haven't tried Dreamweaver MX yet in "homesite" mode can anyone comment on how close the feel is to using homesite?
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@tomic
Senior Member
USA
1790 Posts |
Posted - 06 August 2002 : 20:50:17
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I seem to always see 'Dreamweaver' written in job adverts like its the 'Holy Grail' of web dev.
Perhaps I am too old school, but my second choice after Visual InterDev is still notepad. I wonder if any employers would accept that...
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Azaniah
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1004 Posts |
Posted - 07 August 2002 : 05:00:26
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I still only use notepad - but they are forcing me to learn DreamWeaver (well not forcing)... It's too confusing.. 
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D3mon
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1685 Posts |
Posted - 07 August 2002 : 07:17:13
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Homesite come in the same box if your version of Dreamweaver is fairly new - Give it a try. Not too much of a learning curve from notepad if you just ignore all the extra menus.
If it's not there, grab a demo from:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/homesite
D3mon
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alex042
Average Member
USA
631 Posts |
Posted - 07 August 2002 : 08:14:50
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Since we're on the topic of editors, I noticed noone has mentioned Adobe GoLive. Does anyone use this? It seemed to me that the GoLive interface is cleaner and more intuitive than DreamWeaver. DreamWeaver seems to have a higher learning curve than many of the other editors and yet I haven't seen any huge additional functionality that I can't do with another editor. Also, I've yet to see any editor outside of FrontPage to develop a complete ASP database interface code with the push of a couple of buttons.
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davemaxwell
Access 2000 Support Moderator
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 07 August 2002 : 08:47:15
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I'm a fan of editplus myself. Clean interface. Can add functionality on the fly. GOOD syntax highlighting capabilities. Nice price.
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