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HuwR
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 Posted - 18 June 2008 : 12:23:21
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according to an independant research panel (who tested all OS/browser combinations including FF3), the fastest browsing experience is when using IE7 on Windows Vista  < |
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ruirib
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Posted - 18 June 2008 : 12:36:54
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Funny, FF seems to start to show the pages even when it still didn't retrieve all page info, which doesn't seem to be quite the IE behavior. Maybe that gives the impression that it is faster.
Anyway, it doesn't look like the silver bullet.< |
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SiSL
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Posted - 18 June 2008 : 15:09:49
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Funny, FF seems to start to show the pages even when it still didn't retrieve all page info, which doesn't seem to be quite the IE behavior. Maybe that gives the impression that it is faster.
Anyway, it doesn't look like the silver bullet.
Exactly. Also unlike IE, Firefox and also Opera does not check if there is new versions of CSS or JS files and they bring them from cache. That's yet another fake impression for people and pain in the ass for developers to change minor things and telling users if they are using FF , please use "REFRESH" to see them right.
To actually see a better "impression" of IE7 engine, I suggest people to use Maxthon over IE7 and now with IE8 hopefully better in August Beta2, multi-threading and DOCTYPE restrictions it will make another speed run.
Point was from my "OSS" and "Uber Security" lie thing... Firefox had over 50 "critical" security holes fixed since Firefox 2.0 with over 15 major releases. Considering FF 2.0 has been advertised still "Most secure browser tralala" which has been released around same time with IE7. And so far in IE7, around 20 critical security holes were fixed and for long time, nothing is new which is less. So basically I really really hate false advertising for people who has no idea about security means something different THAN just not using Active-X. And people says "oh my god, IE is not secure, because new security hole is found when you try to print a webpage that is designed especially to exploit this near 0.0001% chance of hacking, and click 'print Table of Contents' which is not on by default and it can open your windows explorer in your screen".. Just "LOL"
And about "OSS", yes, it is great for people to see code, but it is all Google's and Mozilla's code, it is still business, it is not like that they do these for charity. And in the end Firefox 3.0 reports your every page to Google as well, which I don't trust Google any more or any less than Microsoft.
And HuWR, "independant research panel (who tested all OS/browser combinations including FF3" can you please provide me that independant research panel website or something?< |
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muzishun
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Posted - 18 June 2008 : 17:28:42
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My preference for Fx over IE is the increased standards support. While I will agree that *no* browser fully supports all the standards, Firefox has been much, much closer than IE since day 1. Even IE8 will still be behind the curve. When you consider that IE7 only started to really implement the CSS2 standard, and finally fixed some of their mis-implementations of CSS1 (released in 1999), there just isn't any question. For web developers and designers, Firefox and Opera are simply better choices.
However, as I mentioned before, I don't know if this is the right thread for a debate on Fx vs. IE or Open vs. Closed source software.< |
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HuwR
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Posted - 18 June 2008 : 18:08:37
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For web developers and designers, Firefox and Opera are simply better choices.
Actually I would disagree with this statement, as a web developer or designer you should work with ie as well, it is all well and good coding to standards, but you also have to respect the fact that IE is the most popular browser and must therfore ensure you site works in that too. Unfortunately it is way beyond most peopls control what browser they get to use and a lot are still stuck with IE6 for the majority of their browsing due to corporate IT policies.< |
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SiSL
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Posted - 18 June 2008 : 18:30:01
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Exactly, I don't say Firefox or Opera is bad or should be avoided to use. They are very good browsers infact. I say I just don't buy the entire "freedom" campaign for another commercial company. Being free from one and be slave to other does not change a thing.
Look, I'm on design and management process of my country's most browsed technology & computer based site. We inform people about goods and bads , securities and all the other things. Especially from people who has no idea about computer up to pro's. Now let's look at the fact, 75% of my users prefer IE. 45% of them uses IE7 as their browsing, 30% of them still in IE6. 23% of Firefox and rest are Opera, Safari etc.
I strongly suggest people if they prefer to use IE, at least upgrade to IE7 for security purposes not just at browsing, even they use other browsers, I suggest them to "at least install" IE7 over IE6's OS based security gaps even not to use it.
Now 30% is big number. 30% means at least over 33K of 100K people that visit me daily does not see my pages good. I would not design my website say like "fitting 1280x" wide just because it is almost minimum at today's technology. My viewers use 50% 1024x768 resolution. It is exactly the same. As I can not force my visitors to buy brandnew graphics adapters or monitors to support it, I can't tell them what to install, other than recommendation of 3 browsers and informing about their good sides.
Especially with biased campaigns such as this (Iran downloaded Firefox more than China and India, who buys that?) and often anti-Microsoft campaign, it turn into fanatism fest. When you author IE article (such as IE7Pro extension) you are blamed to be bought by Microsoft or don't know a **** etc. so that is sickening... And two faced, imagine 98% of my users are using Windows and 98% of comments to articles "how sucky windows is", then don't use it for God's sake. If Linux is best according you, go and use it, why don't you do it?
Other than that, people repeats same thing over and over, just "propoganda" campaigns and know nothing deeper in those. There is a proverb here, "Give the credit who deserve" , yes, Firefox is a good browser and yes, IE7 is also a good browser, and yes, Opera is also a good browser. You can use whatever fits you most if you are an end-user. As for designers, we ought to use them all.
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AnonJr
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Posted - 18 June 2008 : 18:48:56
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As for designers, we ought to use them all.
And there is the crux of the matter. As a professional developer, I need to test in all. I have IE7, a "stand alone" IE6, Fx2.whatever, and Opera9. I probably ought to install Safari for Windows, but I usually just bother the Mac Addict over in IST.
I'll install Fx 3, and use the PortableApps version (scroll down the page) of Fx2 for testing since its going to be a while before usage drops to the point of irrelevance.< |
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HuwR
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Posted - 19 June 2008 : 03:09:39
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As for designers, we ought to use them all.
And there is the crux of the matter. As a professional developer, I need to test in all. I have IE7, a "stand alone" IE6, Fx2.whatever, and Opera9. I probably ought to install Safari for Windows, but I usually just bother the Mac Addict over in IST.
I'll install Fx 3, and use the PortableApps version (scroll down the page) of Fx2 for testing since its going to be a while before usage drops to the point of irrelevance.
Thats why you need IE8, the Dev Tools allow you to test against IE5/6 IE7 or IE8 < |
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Shaggy
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Posted - 19 June 2008 : 04:09:36
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By the way, as far as the record goes, it was set with the first download of FF3 - Guinness do not currently have a recognised record for most downloads in a 24 hour period!
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HuwR
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Posted - 19 June 2008 : 06:37:18
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By the way, as far as the record goes, it was set with the first download of FF3 - Guinness do not currently have a recognised record for most downloads in a 24 hour period!
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ruirib
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Posted - 19 June 2008 : 07:34:43
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| That should bring some humbleness into the hypers on the anti MS field, I'm a bit sick of the whole **** thing. After Apple and it's latest OS disaster, bring on Mozilla. The guys at Redmond are just as dumb as anyone else. Ain't that a surprise?!< |
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JJenson
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Posted - 19 June 2008 : 11:06:57
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I really find it funny how so many people are anti MS I wonder why?? I mean cause they hire some of the best developers around the world to put out good products. So they want to charge for their software? I mean they are a business and very successful. Is this the reason people hate them cause they make lots of money?
Firefox is a good browser but so is IE among other ones. Vista is a good operating system. Just cause some person is trying to play a beta tape on a dvd player doesn't make the dvd player bad it means they need to go out adn get the proper stuff to use the DVD player I don't get why people believe computers should be backwards compatible back to the 70's it really gets old.
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Shall we help them getting a World Record?
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