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Panhandler
Average Member
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 Posted - 29 January 2008 : 13:42:30
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Vista might be a whole new ball game.
But I'm still playing with an old ball.
All my software is still the same. . .only runs much faster now.
My DW's favorite software would not run under Vista.
We had to purchase new software for her machine.
So it depends a lot on what or how one uses their machine.
Which is why my new PC quad processor is running XP and not Vista.
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weeweeslap
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 29 January 2008 : 14:48:59
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| I had 1 gig of ram on my hp dv2415nr laptop and felt it was low. After upgrading to 2 gigs of ram, for about $40, I noticed a superb improvement in speed. It's faster, in my opinion, than my 3.0 ghz p4 pc which also has 2 gig of ram. |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 January 2008 : 14:49:34
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Which is why my new PC quad processor is running XP and not Vista.
what's the point in having a quad core processor with < 4Gb of ram ? you have already throttled your machine by not giving it enough room to play properly  |
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Panhandler
Average Member
USA
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Posted - 29 January 2008 : 18:56:00
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Originally posted by HuwR
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Which is why my new PC quad processor is running XP and not Vista.
what's the point in having a quad core processor with < 4Gb of ram ? you have already throttled your machine by not giving it enough room to play properly
$$$$$$$
I can always add more later as the budget will allow.
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 29 January 2008 : 19:19:12
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| Neither Vista not XP can use the full 4 GB, so 3 GB is probably the most reasonable amount of RAM for a XP or Vista PC. If you have a motherboard that does not have performance issues if you use different size memory modules, maybe 3.5 GB can be used and bought. |
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Podge
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 29 January 2008 : 20:34:12
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| 32 bit versions do address 4 GB, but indeed other hardware resources will use some of that 4 GB address space. The mileage may vary, depending on the system configuration but you will never be able to use 4 GB of RAM under Vista or XP. What's the point of having 4 GB of RAM when your system won't use them? |
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Podge
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 29 January 2008 : 21:05:41
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Sorry, you are not correct. The hardware is located usually in an address range that is not accessible by the operating system to use by regular programs. So, whether you have 1 GB or 4 GB, the memory range used by the hardware is always the same. If you have 4 GB RAM, some of that RAM won't be used by the OS, because hardware address space overlaps it. If you have just 3 GB RAM, there is no such overlap. Of course, we are not talking of video cards that use RAM as their memory because they don't have their own memory chips. Also, it's not only video cards that need to be addressed by the OS.
Here is link that explains it more clearly: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/000811.html
This one is instructive too: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/929605/en-us |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 January 2008 : 01:52:58
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| rui is correct XP/Vista 32bit versions will only use about 3.2Gb of your ram, but then what is the point in having a 64bit machine (a quad core is such a beast) and only running a 32bit OS, bit like putting a fiesta engine in a porche |
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MarcelG
Retired Support Moderator
Netherlands
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Posted - 30 January 2008 : 02:09:23
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It's getting off topic, but hey, that's what "(All other subjects)" in the forum subject stands for, right? 
When I bought this new PC, I was thinking of buying the 64bit edition instead of the 32bit edition, but everyone warned me that for the 64bit version a lot of software and more importantly drivers is not available/up to date.
I believed them....and now I have a 32 bit Vista Home Premium, with hardware that is fully supported on the 64bit version, except perhaps my screen calibration device (Patone Huey Pro).
Besides a browser (IE, FF, Maxthon) Crimson Editor, Adobe Lightroom, SyncToy, 7zip, OpenOffice.org and a virusscanner there's not much I require, so that would also not be a problem.
But this is were Microsoft turns out to be Microsoft once again ; while the original Vista I purchased was a OEM, so € 119 for the license and the media, I would now have to pay the full price of € 300-something for an upgrade to the 64bit version of the same OS.... That's simply ridiculous. |
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Podge
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Hamlin
Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 January 2008 : 06:52:07
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Originally posted by MarcelG
But this is were Microsoft turns out to be Microsoft once again ; while the original Vista I purchased was a OEM, so € 119 for the license and the media, I would now have to pay the full price of € 300-something for an upgrade to the 64bit version of the same OS.... That's simply ridiculous.
There is nothing stopping your buying an OEM version. That's what I did, my machine came with 32bit version so I just spent an extra £100 on the 64bit version. |
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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator
Denmark
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Posted - 30 January 2008 : 09:12:41
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| Talking XP, what are the advantages of the 64bit version vs the 32bit version ? |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 30 January 2008 : 10:05:05
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| Pretty much the same thing, support for more RAM than 4 GB. 64 bit versions maybe have problems with drivers for hardware, specially XP. Vista 64 should have support for more recent hardware. |
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