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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
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 Posted - 22 September 2005 : 19:47:19
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Many people have started using Firefox stating IE's security problems as the main reason for doing it. It seems, however, that as Firefox's popularity grows, so does the attention hackers pay to it, and guess what, seems like recent vulnerabilities with Firefox outnumber IE's...
Here is an interesting link about it: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/
Maybe this should make us all think that security is a hard thing to reach and us, as users, have as much responsability as the apps developers... |
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Davio
Development Team Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 19:58:41
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There was also a news article that mentioned, the number of IE's vulnerabilities are only about ones we KNOW about. MS fixes bugs that they do not release information about. Since Firefox is open source, everyone knows every single bug fixes that are fixed and what isn't.
Also consider that Firefox is still in it's infancy, at version 1. While IE has seen years of bugs and is now working on version 7.
No doubt Firefox is getting popular and persons will be starting to find holes in the browser. All I can say is (in addition to what I have already said  ), the more holes and bugs found, the more securer the browser will be.
The FOX RULES!!!
P.S. All fixes can be found at the Mozilla's website: http://www.mozilla.org |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 20:13:28
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C'mon, those arguments could justify anything... Unknown bug fixes? Now you're chasing unknown bug fixes  ?! And that sentence about the more bugs found the more secure the browser gets, there's no arguing against it... but that would apply to all browsers, no?
I have installed Firefox, but appart the tabbed browsing, I don't think it's interface beats IE (maybe it's just me!!) A quick look at memory usage, for the same site, gave similar figures (no exhaustive testing though). So, personally, I see no reason for FOX to RULE... Ah wait, I forgot, it's not made by Microsoft!!
P.S.: Just joking a bit, though, in truth, I saw nothing in Firefox to make me change... and it seems security ain't it either  ! |
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Astralis
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 20:15:41
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AnonJr
Moderator
United States
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 20:21:00
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While I did see the increase in security "issues" comming, I still prefer FireFox over IE. The download manager is much better, I loath not having tabbed browsing at work, and I've noticed the pop-up blocker is a bit better.
I won't go so far as to say its perfect... but its awfully close! And anything that stirs an increase in development/innovation is a good thing. Security problems will always be among us - no matter what you use.
Will I never use IE again, probably... unless MS does the usual and comes back from behind to jump ahead... and then grow complacent and fall behind ... and then jump ahead ... ad nausium.  |
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goorootech
New Member
Australia
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 20:35:35
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I prefer Firefox for the simple reason I can plug in mouse gestures and have my RSS feeder bar in the bottom status bar - I see the new snitz posts that way  . Security, while being an issue, doesn't rule my decision on the browser. Security will be more or less the same on any browser IMHO and you wont get around it either.
Fox users out there, if you havent played with mouse gestures - they rock!
I also have plugged in minimalist theme so more for screen real estate for me. Also the Bookmarks Toolbar Folder is great - i have all my common website I go to on it.
Sure IE has a few of these but as a computer boffin, the Fox has what I need. However, I still have IE as my banking website dont work with it that well
Edit: Moderator, you best lock this thread down now! lol The Firefox vs IE will be like debating religion!! hahaha
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regards,
Jason Binder
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Edited by - goorootech on 22 September 2005 20:39:11 |
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Davio
Development Team Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 21:32:33
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So true Jason, these topics get hot debate like religion. But I mean, we use our browsers day in and day out. It's the one piece of software we use most often. So of course persons will defend it to thier heart.
Rui, the power to Firefox is also in it's extensions. You can plug in extra features that are not part of the standard browser. The few extensions I use, are the following:
Gmail Notifier - alerts me when I have new email in my gmail account
Yahoo Notifier - alerts me when I have new yahoo mail
IE View - allows me to right click on a website and select "Open page in IE" for those sites that choose to only have IE browse thier sites.
View Cookies - allow me to browse the cookies that the current page has set.
Spellbound - a spell checker for forms. Just right click in a form text box and click Check spelling.
User Agent Switcher - allows me to change the user agent of the browser with 2 clicks. From IE to Opera to Netscape + allow you to add more to the list. (Like Safari or Konquorer)
ViewSourceWith - allows me to open the source code of a website in my HTML Editor of choice. I use Macromedia Homesite, so when I need to edit or view a pages course, just right click and select view source in Homesite. I also added my image program to the list. So I can open images in my image editor, like Paint Shop Pro or Adobe.
DownloadWith - allows me to download files using external programs like Getright.
Scrapbook - allows me to save an entire page or website along with the graphics, stylesheets, javascript files (and whatever else is on the site) for easy viewing and editing later. And much more options and features to this extension.
And there is soooo much more extensions to try out. With IE, you're just limited to what features IE puts in it. Blah! I love customization! But that's just me. I stopped using IE long ago.
Another thing I love about FF is that they have constant updates and browser fixes come out quickly.
To each thier own. We also like and dislike different foods. No reason for me to shove the food down your throat. hehe Just telling you what I like about the Fox.
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 21:42:06
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Ok, David, those are reasons arguments I can understand. I guess you need to add those features. I haven't. I like the looks of the browser, but I'm guess I'm pleased with IE just as it is.
Jason, I started this topic, not going to close it. The main focus should be on security, though, that's what made me post it. Of course, my friend David here, had to bring some other matters into the fray .
P.S.: Guess what, this was posted with Firefox . |
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goorootech
New Member
Australia
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 21:52:46
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lol ruirib and I was just joking about locking the thread down. You are right tho, about the security aspect of this topic. I wouldn't know which is more secure (except being told it was) so I wont comment more but I can understand alot of people would switch to Firefox if they were told it was more secure than IE.
I switched (initially because of the security touts ) but then kept it because of its flexibility.
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AnonJr
Moderator
United States
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 22:25:10
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I don't think any browser will be as secure as we could want it.... unfortunatly there are too many people out there who have nothing better to do than to find ways of making everyone's life miserable...
That and declaring yourself to have the best security out of the available options is like putting on a big "kick me" sign. Doesn't mean I'm going to change though. |
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sr_erick
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 23:29:44
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I do agree there are some nice things with FireFox but still in all the IE bashing I hear from the "IT wannabees" at my college I use IE day in and day out. These people I'm talking about, it's as if they "think" they are tech gurus because they use FireFox and they are determined it is more secure yet they have NO factual data to back up anything. I've gotten into many an argument with people like that. Basically what it comes down to is they want to be different so they use FireFox, make up lame excuses as to why it is better, and then if they still can't win they start the Microsoft bashing.
Myself, I give FireFox credit for kicking things up a notch. I do like the download manager better, and the tabbed browsing is nice (although I don't really need it). The integrated RSS things are very nice too. All of these things are going to be in IE 7 though, so it's only a while longer until I can still use IE as well as those other features. All in all, use what's best for you and don't bash the other guy. The FireFox developers are starting to feel the pleasure of security as their product becomes more popular...no doubt about it.
The Google toolbar (with spellcheck, etc) as well as the Google personal homepage (which I have a stack of my RSS feeds from sites) do the trick really well for me in IE. I don't really need anything different. |
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Davio
Development Team Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 22 September 2005 : 23:41:25
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Yeah, I have come to agree that no browser can be totally secure. I came to find that out only after I moved away from IE. I was getting tired of hearing a new CRITICAL security hole in IE day after day. And then waiting for whenever to get MS to publish a patch. Whenever that was.
Security...what's that again? Isn't it that guy standing at the door of your office building? |
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dayve
Forum Moderator
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Posted - 23 September 2005 : 00:10:33
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I'm using IE until Google releases their browsers.
BTW, it is quite logical that the bigger you become the more attention you'll bring to hackers. If Firefox was as big as Internet Explorer, I feel it would have the same amount of problems. I have never seen anything in Firefox that has enticed me to switch either. |
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Gremlin
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StephenD
Senior Member
Australia
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Posted - 23 September 2005 : 03:25:46
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pdrg
Support Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 September 2005 : 04:48:52
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I work (on contract) for one of the companies that makes one of the browsers mentioned above - but I prefer the other one for everyday use and even for some internal development projects - the Web Developer toolbar/add-in makes it worthwhile alone, and several people here have expressed an interest in it. I also add the adblock, the IPLookup, the CustomizeGoogle and the TamperData into the mix and it is a real winner.
Notice I didn't mention browser security above - the biggest target will get most attacks, right down to pdrghandrolledeplozillafoxbrowser which has only 1 test install (on my laptop) and a command-line interface and has no targetted expolits. Just the way it is...if MacOS had a majority market, more people would try to exploit it. Symbian 60 has exploits solely because it is so common - nobody has tried releasing exploits for my Sanyo phone yet because I'm probably one of around a thousand people who actually bought one (lovely phone though - couple of limitations but sexy screen)
Oh, and Opera too. It's such a small footprint it's dead fast. But I prefer the add-on architecture of FX |
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