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zinpin
Junior Member

Australia
202 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  00:38:42  Show Profile
I'm after a live (real time) stats program that will run with IIS. I've done a google search and found a number of them but b4 I go down the path of purchasing something,I though I should ask you guys for a recommendation and if there's a free version by any chance?
what I need it to do is give me a rundown of who's on the site, which page they're on, times etc.
TIA

dayve
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USA
5820 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  01:10:21  Show Profile  Visit dayve's Homepage
great product.... http://www.smartertools.com/Products/SmarterStats/Default.aspx

free for personal usage.

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zinpin
Junior Member

Australia
202 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  01:20:30  Show Profile
thanks mate!
I'm downloading it right now, will post feedback when it's up.
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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  04:00:01  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by dayve

great product.... http://www.smartertools.com/Products/SmarterStats/Default.aspx

free for personal usage.



I'll second that, only problem I have had with it is if it finds a corrupt log file, or looses connection while transferring one, it craps out big time, you have to remove all the stats and start again
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Podge
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Ireland
3775 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  04:11:19  Show Profile  Send Podge an ICQ Message  Send Podge a Yahoo! Message
I use this - http://www.urchin.com which I find to be excellent.

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HuwR
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United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  04:27:31  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Podge

I use this - http://www.urchin.com which I find to be excellent.


It's pretty expensive at $900 for upto 100 sites
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zinpin
Junior Member

Australia
202 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  07:13:04  Show Profile
does urchin though give you live stats?
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Podge
Support Moderator

Ireland
3775 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  13:46:02  Show Profile  Send Podge an ICQ Message  Send Podge a Yahoo! Message
I have it set to update once daily. You can run it whenever you like.

You can download a trial version here - http://www.urchin.com/products/.
Its fairly easy to set up.

I have heard good things about Smartertools. Lots of Windows server admins hang out here - http://forums.webhostautomation.com you might come across opinions on various packages or even secondhand licences for sale.

There is at least one reseller there who may get you a better deal on Smartertools than buying it direct.

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Podge
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Ireland
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Posted - 09 November 2004 :  14:05:43  Show Profile  Send Podge an ICQ Message  Send Podge a Yahoo! Message
I found his website and its $300 cheaper for the Enterprise version.

http://www.helmtastic.com/store/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=71&strPageHistory=cat

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muzishun
Senior Member

United States
1079 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  19:22:57  Show Profile  Visit muzishun's Homepage
Here's a free one from SourceForge that my Host uses. It's probably the best statistics program I've ever used... and it's free!

AWStats

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zinpin
Junior Member

Australia
202 Posts

Posted - 09 November 2004 :  20:48:25  Show Profile
the last time i checked it didn't support live stats and neither does Urchin. Whoson looks good but I'm not running SQL.
Huwr have you had a lot of problems with smartstats?
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pdrg
Support Moderator

United Kingdom
2897 Posts

Posted - 10 November 2004 :  07:59:30  Show Profile  Send pdrg a Yahoo! Message
we bought a single-server license of Urchin for a micromanaged company I used to work at - live stats and worked a treat, once you'd managed to get it set up 'right' though. Gave the micromanager loads of drill-down stuff (which he liked).
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HuwR
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United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 10 November 2004 :  08:37:10  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by zinpin

the last time i checked it didn't support live stats and neither does Urchin. Whoson looks good but I'm not running SQL.
Huwr have you had a lot of problems with smartstats?


Whoson uses quite a lot of ram/cpu, would probably be ok for a single site, but not for more than a dozen or so, and it's database gets huge.

Occasionally with smarterstats it craps out with a "failed to import log file" error, when it does this you have to re-import all the log files as there is no way to tell it to skip the bad log, other than that it works fine. I have had to do this about 3 times in the last 12 months, still can't figure out why it stops though, as I have run the same log file through other stats programmes without any bother.
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zinpin
Junior Member

Australia
202 Posts

Posted - 10 November 2004 :  09:21:06  Show Profile
quote:
live stats and worked a treat, once you'd managed to get it set up 'right' though

That's very interesting pdrg, somehow I was with the idea that the minimum time you could set Urchin to update and run the logs was hourly which means that the data viewed would always be an hour old.
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Whoson uses quite a lot of ram/cpu...................Whoson uses quite a lot of ram/cpu

Thanks for the info Huwr that clears things a bit. I must admit though Whoson looked very nice.
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HuwR
Forum Admin

United Kingdom
20584 Posts

Posted - 10 November 2004 :  09:38:49  Show Profile  Visit HuwR's Homepage
quote:

I must admit though Whoson looked very nice.

Yes it is, I used it for about 12 months, but it started to bog down the server
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pdrg
Support Moderator

United Kingdom
2897 Posts

Posted - 10 November 2004 :  10:58:54  Show Profile  Send pdrg a Yahoo! Message
As I recall you had a lot of flexibility with Urchin, eg for the liveness fo the liveness. It was a cool toy, but imho suited a micromanager and was not so great for big picture trends. We finally went to a 'run webtrends against these cd's of logfiles on a monthly basis' model, once he'd got it out of his system and started to trust that people could do their jobs and people did look at the site... Worth installing the demo version if you can, but it was a horror to install (in the version/config we had...)
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