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Lars_Gj
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 Posted - 29 September 2004 : 09:36:14
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Originally posted by rasure
Well at least we have something in common then, even if we don't agree on psychics/mediums
I find parapsychological phenomena very interesting, and I am fascinated by it. It's obvious, isn't it? I have more posts regarding psychics than Snitz here....
The picture however, seems to be cluttered by charlatans and persons claiming psychic "powers" or abilities. TV-shows more than often present cases in which a self-appionted psychic enters to talk to the spirit of a long dead and missed relative. That "psychic power" is to me often revealed more as an extremely good ability to say or state what the remaining famliymembers so want the deceased to say, and it makes me uncomfortable to see a show exploiting sore feelings as entertainment for the masses.
Now, its wrong to put the blame all on the "medium" or medium. The TV-station is the one makin' the dough, and doing the editing.
Anyway, if psychic abilities is to be seriously recognized, attending programs as mentioned above, is poor judgement from the psychics behalf. And being able to see into the future, shouldn't the psychic be able to see the consequences? 
Which is why I pay more serious attention to people who aren't striving for their 15 minutes. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 09:48:57
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I would tend to agree with you Lars, you certainly can't take the "evidence" presented in these TV shows as being anything close to fact, since as you say they only show what they want you to see.
I am what you would call open minded and treat most of this stuff with a fair degree of sceptisism, however I have had several experiences in my life which make me keep an open mind. I have apparently seen a ghost, but was to young to remember it myself, so can only recount my parents side of the story as I do not remember a thing, I have also had some encounters with a couple of psychics which turned out to be very strange indeed, also when I was about 17-18 I used to work in a winebar which was a very old bulding, originally built in the 12th century as some sort of monks school, it was undoubtedly one of the strangest places I have ever worked, totally unexplained things happened on a regular basis, we used to have an extremely high staff turnover as people just got really freaked out sometimes |
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rasure
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 10:01:05
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Yes I agree with what you say, TV programs on these subjects seem to be one sided and not show both sides both skeptics and the psychics/mediums point of view and as you say charlatans whop want their 15 minutes of fame. To me I have found that those who charge a greedy amount of money are more likely to be those who are not so genuine and pray on vulnerabilities of those who are grieving, yet those who charge very little or nothing at all are the some of best in their field.
Another point to cover is most people confuse psychics and mediums, a psychic is not the same as a medium, a psychic is someone who has developed the skill of receiving information by using their intuition and picking up vibrations by reading people through various means such as tarot, runes etc and are able to pick up on residual energy to get psychic information. Residual energy is a stored energy such as in the atmosphere, buildings and objects, its like a recorded energy of all things that have happened in the past rather like a video or tape recording. A medium is someone who has developed the skill of receiving information directly from spirit, communicating directly with those who have passed into the world of spirit, although in my experience spirit can intervene during a psychic reading and psychic information can come through while communicating with spirit.
Although there is the Fraudulent Mediums Act 1951 I feel there should be more control over psychics/mediums not only in this country but all over the world to stop those who are not genuine and pray on peoples vulnerabilities, of course this is hard to monitor with the web as it is as there are so many practicing from their own websites. There is also another problem with this because psychic ability is within us all, its like charging for a radio license when most electronic goods can pick up radio signals and where would the line be drawn.
There is a program on tonight about mediums on BBC2 and I'm hoping this is going to give both side an equal airing rather than just focusing on one side. |
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rasure
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 10:08:38
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Originally posted by HuwR
I am what you would call open minded and treat most of this stuff with a fair degree of sceptisism, however I have had several experiences in my life which make me keep an open mind. I have apparently seen a ghost, but was to young to remember it myself, so can only recount my parents side of the story as I do not remember a thing, I have also had some encounters with a couple of psychics which turned out to be very strange indeed, also when I was about 17-18 I used to work in a winebar which was a very old bulding, originally built in the 12th century as some sort of monks school, it was undoubtedly one of the strangest places I have ever worked, totally unexplained things happened on a regular basis, we used to have an extremely high staff turnover as people just got really freaked out sometimes
That's really interesting, it does show that people do have these experiences and can't be put down to any mental illness or logical explanation. There is something happening out there, but until the times comes when "proof" can be given there will always be in depth discussions and disagreements on this matter, but I'm sure in years to come it will all become clear and be part of everyday science.
Just because we cant see things doesn't mean they don't exist, radio signals cant be seen but we know they are there, if radio signals can be sent through the atmosphere so can electrical signals given of by the brain/mind. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 10:15:30
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| I don't think that many people get the two confused, not in my experience anyway. Personally I have never met any mediums, and only a couple of psychics, one of which I would say was a fraud, and the other was so freaky I would never go back. |
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Lars_Gj
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 10:28:47
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Just because we cant see things doesn't mean they don't exist, radio signals cant be seen but we know they are there, if radio signals can be sent through the atmosphere so can electrical signals given of by the brain/mind.
Ooh, rasure, this was just TOO good to resist...! 
Radio signals are sent from a transmitter (which can be described in boring details down to the smallest resistor) out in the athmosphere (where the wavelenghts, amplitude and frequency can be measured exactly) to a receiver (that can be described scrutinizingly).
Now, I agree that we cannot see the radio signals. We are however able to monitor them through technical devices, thus "seeing" them.
I am looking forward to the device that monitor and interprets the brain's/mind's electrical signals.
(sorry, I couldn't help myself  )
Thanks however, for clarifying the terms medium and psychic. |
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miperez
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 10:39:18
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Let's start by saying that, personally, I do not beleive in any of these supposed abilities these people have. It maybe is because I have not got into them from a more "academic" point of view, and seen some semi-scientific psychics, the only ones that I usually see are those that appear on TV wearing cheap brilliant clothings and pretending to know about people's future health, money, love...
However, I wouldn't call them loosers either. I have to wake up at 7 AM every day, and work between 8 and 10 hours to make my living... and I'm sure that they can wake up late, go to the TV set, and earn more money in an hour by lying to people than I do in a whole month. Geez! It's me that's a looser |
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miperez
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 10:40:28
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I knew you were going to say that...
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rasure
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 10:40:28
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Originally posted by Lars_Gj
Ooh, rasure, this was just TOO good to resist...!
lol, but I'm talking in terms of "in principle", things being transmitted through the atmosphere that are unseen by the naked eye can be applied to such things as telepathy one sender consciously sending the information (transmitter) and one consciously picking up on the sent signals (receiver) as you probably now from studying psychology the brain has certain parts which even experts don't know there uses for. There is a lot energy out there that is being transmitted through natural cause such as the earth magnetic field, lay lines which are not man made.
I know some people after a serious head injury have suddenly become open to these things, which suggests that certain parts of the brain have been affected that controls psychic/spiritual perception. The same can be done with hypnosis in re wiring the brain if you like to make those connections. |
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HuwR
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 10:41:57
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Originally posted by Lars_Gj
Ooh, rasure, this was just TOO good to resist...!
Radio signals are sent from a transmitter (which can be described in boring details down to the smallest resistor) out in the athmosphere (where the wavelenghts, amplitude and frequency can be measured exactly) to a receiver (that can be described scrutinizingly).
Now, I agree that we cannot see the radio signals. We are however able to monitor them through technical devices, thus "seeing" them.
Radio waves are not just created by a transmitter that can be described in boring detail down to the last resistor, which kind of negates your hypothesis. |
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seahorse
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 11:15:45
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Originally posted by rasure
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Originally posted by Lars_Gj
Ooh, rasure, this was just TOO good to resist...!
I know some people after a serious head injury have suddenly become open to these things, which suggests that certain parts of the brain have been affected that controls psychic/spiritual perception.
Could it be that because of the injury the person thinks that he is psychic even if he is not?
A person suffers a brain injury and now thinks that he is Napoleon. Is this becuase the brain injury has damaged the person's ability to percieve reality or has the injury destroyed the part of the brain that kept the spirit of Napoleon from taking over the individual's body?
I think it's the former. |
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pdrg
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 11:27:20
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bunfight!!!
Maybe we just don't have enough evidence or a repeatable standard for who is a 'valid' psychic and who is a charleton? |
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seahorse
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 11:37:53
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Originally posted by HuwR
They used to call people who thought the earth was round rather than flat crackpots and charlatans too
In medicine, the mind can do amazing things under the power of suggestion. I do not dispute that, nor do I dispute the fact that there are areas which hunman understanding has yet to fully explore. However, I'm not inclined to rely on mental powers as a treatment method for the vast majority of illnesses until it can be proven to do so reliably and effectively.
If you can find an individual(s), who can under clinically controlled conditions, access psychic powers to accurately assess guilt in criminal proceedings, I am willing to revisit my belief that psychics are crackpots and charlatans.
Until such time I'm inclined to disallow psychic predictions as evidence in criminal proceedings or investigations. |
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rasure
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 11:45:08
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Originally posted by seahorse
Could it be that because of the injury the person thinks that he is psychic even if he is not?
Most people who have had head injuries have previously had no interest or belief in those kind of things.
As for the second point, well that's a little far fetched, for one a spirit cant take over a body, only one body can have one spirit at any given time.
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Until such time I'm inclined to disallow psychic predictions as evidence in criminal proceedings or investigations.
Well yes, that is something that has to be looked at very carefully, making a judgment based solely on what a psychic says, without any other evidence is iresponsible. |
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seahorse
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 12:07:25
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As for the second point, well that's a little far fetched, for one a spirit cant take over a body, only one body can have one spirit at any given time.
How do you know? Maybe we all have more than one. It could be that there's an active spirit and a passive spirit? It could be that we all have multiple spirits which take an active or passive role as circumstances change.
I sorry. I am not mocking you. You speak as if certain assumptions are fact. However, in the context of this discussion, you haven't sufficiently established them as fact to my satisfaction.
For example, you say that a body can have only one spirit at a given time. This sounds reasonable. I would be inclined to agree, but that doesn't mean that this is true. We haven't even established that there is such a thing as a spirit. |
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