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marysol2103
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 Posted - 29 September 2004 : 00:18:51
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I’m sure everyone has seen the signs for “$5 Psychic Readings” in their town or while traveling elsewhere. What I wanted to discuss here were your thoughts on using psychics for more than just personal entertainment, more specifically in police and detective work.
There’s been documented cases in the past where police haven’t been able to solve a crime, at which point they turn to a psychic for help. What I find the most interesting is when the psychics they hire actually solve the case.
What are your thoughts on this? What about using psychics to help solve some of the current investigations (such as the Peterson or Hacking trials?)
I’m not an expert myself on the topic, but I’ve been learning a bit more from a new show on Court TV called Psychic Detectives. It’s on Wednesday’s at 9:30pm in case you want to watch it too.
~ Marysol
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Tiggerz
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 01:23:35
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Personally I think those types of people are 'losers' in capitals and underlined with bold text :)
Just my opinion tho. |
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Davio
Development Team Member
Jamaica
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 01:50:10
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And how exactly will that hold up in court?
If psychics are used to solve crimes and are held up in court, why not go to pastors and ask them to pray about it and get some revelation about the crime? Why not have Prayer Detectives?
Psyhic's tap into the dark spiritual realm to get thier answers.
But america is pushing God out of schools and courts, so it would make sense to utilise psychics instead of pastors. Psychics would be more accepted than pastors.
This is all based off of psychic readings being accepted in court. Which I doubt. You need hard evidence. |
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Roland
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Netherlands
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 04:14:02
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If psychics' help is acceptable in the American courts, it's for the same reason lie detector tests are accepted while they've been proven to be flawed.
Personally I think the large majority of so-called psychics are merely good observants and can tell who you are and what you do by looking at you. The ones that "help" in criminal investigations live off lucky guesses and deductions someone new will notice, while the people who've been working on it for weeks don't because they've been staring themselves blind on the wrong things.
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seahorse
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 04:49:49
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Crackpots and charlatans.
Might as well bring back witch burnings. That's who I'd blame if I got arrested for a crime where they used a psychic to catch me. |
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pdrg
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 05:31:42
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Most 'psychics' survive by 'cold reading' - in essence telling people what they want to hear. There may be occasions where someone is more sensitive to things ethereal, and they have insights/intuitions/hunches/gut feelings that prove in some way helpful for the police to give them a fresh lead, but you surely couldn't present this as evidence?
There are plenty of cases where someone has actually performed a murder/whatever 'because the voices told him to'. How doe sthat differ from a psychic in black-box terms?
(edit - btw google for 'cold reading', it is a fascinating subject) |
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Lars_Gj
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 06:26:47
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Originally posted by pdrg
There are plenty of cases where someone has actually performed a murder/whatever 'because the voices told him to'. How doe sthat differ from a psychic in black-box terms?
"Psychic" is a term used on people claiming ability to be more or less clairvoiant, and/or being able to sense and determine things otherwise not perceptible with the normal 5 senses. The latter ability is sometimes claimed to be able to sense things regardless of time and space.
It is possible to determine if a person has a psychic illness that can cause hallusinations (f.ex. "voices in the head") due to criteria listed in the american diagnosis system DSM-IV or the ICD-10. If the hallusination-criteria is significantly fullfilled along with several others (delllutions, gradually withdrawal from social arenas, introvert behaviour, etc) the diagnosis schizophrenic is a possibility.
There are several different schizophrenias as well, and furthermore other recognized states that includes dellutions and/or hallusinations.
The point is, that claiming to "have voices inside the head that tells me to do this and that" actually can be verified through observations, witnesses to previous behaviour, etc. These will be used by eiter/or the actorate and the defence in a court to prove or disprove it.
Psychic abilites, or psychic is not recorded as a frequent enough phenomnenon to be recognized in any official system listing psychological or psychiatric states. The ability, or sense, is as often as not claimed by the person him/herself, and not set by "neutral" others.Its therefore extremely hard to prove clairvoyancy or the like. Officially, its regarded as mild dellutions about ones ego, and/or omnipotency. Some personality-disorders are often accomanied by claims of clairvoyancy, psychic abilities, healer-abilites.
So its a question on believing or not. Desperate homicide-investigations have been known to use psychics in their investigations, but the psychic's wiew (or perceptions) will never hold in court or as a witness statement. Nevertheless, investigators can use the results in their further work. Proof however, must be confirmed through other means.
Another wiew on psychics, is that their mild dellutions often come from wishful, or magic thinking. And thats entertainment if you put in on the screen! It would seem that the desire for the 15 minutes of fame is bigger than ever, given the amount of so-called reality-tv, which is a contradiction in terms. Hence also the eruption of "psychic-tv" flourishing all over. |
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pdrg
Support Moderator
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 06:55:59
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I knew you were going to say that...
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Lars_Gj
Starting Member
Norway
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 07:04:14
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Lol:)
Can't help it. Its my occupation IRL to know. Sorry, didn't mean to lecture, though I see I got a bit carried away.. (Or: I was compensating for my lack of knowledge elsewhere. As in Snitz, for example) |
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rasure
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 07:53:09
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Originally posted by Tiggerz
Personally I think those types of people are 'losers' in capitals and underlined with bold text :)
Unfortunately that's just ignorance, those with little knowledge are quick to judge. Yes there are some out there who take advantage of people with large sums of money, but there are many who are gueiune. The same applies to mediums. Being psychic or a medium isn't anything special at all as we all posses these skills if we take the time to understand and develop them.
Mediums and the spirit world, some have you may have seen Most Haunted and a lot of evidence they have collected over the years and there's many people in the world who have had genuine psychic/spiritual experiences, so they cant all be mad or "looser" as you put it.
When someone calls other things or people without actually knowing nothing about the subject or the person they are very often reflecting what they actually see in themselves.
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Originally posted by seahorse
Crackpots and charlatans.
I have very little knowledge on military aircraft, but It wouldn't give me the right to say you were a crackpot or knock what you do for having knowledge or interest in them |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 08:08:07
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| They used to call people who thought the earth was round rather than flat crackpots and charlatans too |
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Lars_Gj
Starting Member
Norway
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 08:26:36
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Originally posted by rasure
Mediums and the spirit world, some have you may have seen Most Haunted and a lot of evidence they have collected over the years and there's many people in the world who have had genuine psychic/spiritual experiences, so they cant all be mad or "looser" as you put it.
The term "evidence" states that something is evident, open for all to see. To apply something as evidence means that the object, or here: statement, report, can be tried again with the same result. As long as the courts, and society in general practice "seeing is believing", any scientist, or lawyer for thet matter, will have a field day in picking arguments or a collection of stories as above apart. The reports of genuine spiritual experiences are in themselves evidence - but just evidence that some have reported something, not evidence of reliability of its contence. Again: it's a question of belief.
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When someone calls other things or people without actually knowing nothing about the subject or the person they are very often reflecting what they actually see in themselves.
This kind of rethoric - disqualifying disagreeing opinions by applying ignorance , and hence turning the opponents own argument back - is a worn-out vulgar pseudo-psychological technique used as an apparantly rock-solid wall against any disagreement. A technique not unfamiliar used in fundamentalis-religious circles for the same purpose. |
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rasure
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 08:30:59
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Originally posted by HuwR
They used to call people who thought the earth was round rather than flat crackpots and charlatans too
That's very true, and going to the moon. In time there will be more and more evidence and eventually proof that these things are real and will become apart of everyday science. I'm all for skeptics, even I'm skeptical at times but that's part of being grounded and not having your head in the clouds and believing everything you read. There's a big difference in a skeptic (someone who is open minded and takes the time to investigate these things to prove otherwise) than someone who just knocks it without even looking into it. |
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rasure
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 08:40:02
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Originally posted by Lars_Gj
This kind of rethoric - disqualifying disagreeing opinions by applying ignorance , and hence turning the opponents own argument back - is a worn-out vulgar pseudo-psychological technique used as an apparantly rock-solid wall against any disagreement. A technique not unfamiliar used in fundamentalis-religious circles for the same purpose.
So I take it you have studied psychology then? or is it just your opinion |
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Lars_Gj
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 08:53:43
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Originally posted by rasure
So I take it you have studied psychology then? or is it just your opinion
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rasure
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Posted - 29 September 2004 : 09:09:01
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| Well at least we have something in common then, even if we don't agree on psychics/mediums |
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