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RebelTech
Average Member
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 Posted - 23 September 2004 : 06:21:35
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I am personally offended by a post that appears in Show Off Your Forums. The post in question is Here . It is the initial post concerning the gayrites.net forums made by davidkirk.
I don't mind humor or opinions but I hate double standards. About a year ago, I posted in the Show Off Your Forums. My post was titled "Snitz Eye For The Straight Guy". That was it. There were no references to anyone's preferences. My intention was to simply make a play on a television show title. The show was titled Queer Eye For The Straight Guy.
I was asked by the staff here to change the title of my post. I was informed that controversial topics or statements were not tolerated here. The staff member shall remain nameless, by me. I apologized as I had no intention to offend anyone and was simply making an attempt at humor. I changed my title and embarrassingly kept quiet.
Now, I see this post. Is that humor? Where is the staff on this one? Why the double standard? Mine was not directed against anyone nor was it negative. Yet, some were threatened by it. This post is an open attack, even if it is in jest, and none here blink any eye.
Equality is preached but it is not practiced. My main outrage is against the staff here and the double standard they have practiced. As for David Kirk, I am a Christian, I am not a Republican and I think your site looks good!
Furthermore, while my only offense was to call myself a straight guy and I was corrected, three moderators have posted in the questionable thread and were not offended by the anti Christian or anti Republican statements and took no corrective action. |
Edited by - RebelTech on 23 September 2004 06:29:12 |
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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator
Denmark
2632 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 06:41:02
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| I agree with you, that first post should have been edited. Why not just write to David and ask him, Iīm quite sure it was meant as a joke, but I understand how you feel. |
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pdrg
Support Moderator
United Kingdom
2897 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 06:53:00
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| Hey RT - not getting involved in the politics of this one but fyi all the 'staff' are volunteers and human, hence fallible. We members sometimes disagree with one anothers opinions, and indeed people can be inconsistent. Life is, indeed, unfair. Maybe this is a time for cheek-turning? Just my 2p... |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 07:59:21
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| As admin all I can say is that I see nothing wrong with your initial topic subject, but did not read the thread at the time so was unaware you had been asked to change it. If you feel that the actions of one moderator means we all practice double standards then I would politely suggest that you don't frequent the forums anymore. |
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RebelTech
Average Member
USA
613 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 08:07:02
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I am not upset with David. I think it was most likely a joke. My concern was with the fact that some look to keep anything from upsetting one group of people while allowing blatant statements towards another group or groups. It speaks a lot about where certain folks sensitivities lie and a lot about their sense of fairness. It may even speak of their fear of public opinion.
pdrg, there is no need to turn the other cheek. I have no problem with David, his site or his personal choices. That does not mean that I, or anyone, should keep quiet when someone in authority is practicing favoritism or unfairly and unevenly enforcing rules on groups of people that they do not identify or agree with. I would stand up in the same way if someone attacked David or enforced rules on him that were not enforced on others.
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RebelTech
Average Member
USA
613 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 08:21:11
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HuwR, I just saw your post. I think I am just as shocked by it. I have respected you and what you have accomplished here for several years now.
You say that there was nothing wrong with my original topic. wii agrees that David's post should have been moderated. Then you politely invite me to not visit the forums any longer if I think this way or that?
If you want me to go, I will. I have learned a lot from the people here and made some friends. I don't understand how it is that I have some how become the bad guy when I never attacked anyone and only brought out what had happened. At the time my situation happened I never raised any trouble and out of concern for other's feeling quickly changed my topic. Does this sound fair to you? |
Edited by - RebelTech on 23 September 2004 08:22:30 |
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pdrg
Support Moderator
United Kingdom
2897 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 08:59:25
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Originally posted by RebelTech
pdrg, there is no need to turn the other cheek. I have no problem with David, his site or his personal choices. That does not mean that I, or anyone, should keep quiet when someone in authority is practicing favoritism or unfairly and unevenly enforcing rules on groups of people that they do not identify or agree with. I would stand up in the same way if someone attacked David or enforced rules on him that were not enforced on others.
RT, all I'm trying to say is don't take life too personally - every day we all have to make judgement calls 'is this right? is that?'. As you say, I'm sure nobody meant anything personal in any of their actions, neither the poster nor the mod. Even if they had, you can still choose whether or not to take offence...
Stay - I'd hate for you to go feeling unloved! |
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wii
Free ASP Hosts Moderator
Denmark
2632 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 09:12:14
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| RebelTech, I didnīt even read the first post when David Kirk showed off his forum (which is great btw), saw the posts later and began to write in the topic as well. Iīm sure that everyone here canīt blame moderators and/or administrators for not reading every single post or topic that are posted here, and as you say yourself, it was not meant as an insult. Please think of it as a joke and letīs move on with our lives (with you still here). |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 09:17:54
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My main outrage is against the staff here and the double standard they have practiced.
Does that sound fair to you RebelTech, it certainly doesn't to me. If you have a problem with a specific admin or moderator then fine take it up with the other admins/moderators, but don't aim your comments at all the staff here, as I said, if because of one person you have a problem with all of us then it is probably best if you leave, sounds fair to me.
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 09:23:12
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| The requested change was because you had put "Snitz Eye For The Straight Guy", you say there were no references to anyones preferences, so why put "Snitz" in the title ? why not just call it "an eye for the straight guy", I think you will find the moderator in question was irked at your use of Snitz not the content of your posts |
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RebelTech
Average Member
USA
613 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 09:47:21
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Originally posted by HuwR
The requested change was because you had put "Snitz Eye For The Straight Guy", you say there were no references to anyones preferences, so why put "Snitz" in the title ? why not just call it "an eye for the straight guy", I think you will find the moderator in question was irked at your use of Snitz not the content of your posts
Like I said, it was a play on a current tv show. Snitz Eye implying that the people reviewing would have Snitz experience and appreciation. As for the moderator's intentions, it had nothing to do with the name Snitz. He questioned my use of the word straight and thought that might offend some. |
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RebelTech
Average Member
USA
613 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 09:49:46
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Originally posted by HuwR
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My main outrage is against the staff here and the double standard they have practiced.
Does that sound fair to you RebelTech, it certainly doesn't to me. If you have a problem with a specific admin or moderator then fine take it up with the other admins/moderators, but don't aim your comments at all the staff here, as I said, if because of one person you have a problem with all of us then it is probably best if you leave, sounds fair to me.
No, it does not sound fair and I apologize. The members and staff here have been great. I misspoke and I sincerely hope you except my apology. |
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RebelTech
Average Member
USA
613 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 09:53:32
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Originally posted by HuwR
If you have a problem with a specific admin or moderator then fine take it up with the other admins/moderators
I did. I wrote an email to one of the moderators involved and waited four or five days for either a reply or action. |
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ruirib
Snitz Forums Admin
Portugal
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Posted - 23 September 2004 : 09:57:50
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| That was a moderator's opinion. Better check with him instead of questioning us all. And as Huw correctly pointed out, if you feel like complaining about something, take the issue to the admins (or other mods). |
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Edited by - ruirib on 23 September 2004 10:10:34 |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 11:13:43
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Originally posted by RebelTech
I did. I wrote an email to one of the moderators involved and waited four or five days for either a reply or action.
Then I accept your appology, and appologise that you did not get a reply and therefore feel as though you have been badly treated. Could anyone who may have a similar problem either now or in the future please contact one of the Admins so that it can be sorted out one way or another.
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Roland
Advanced Member
Netherlands
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Posted - 23 September 2004 : 11:32:01
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After doing some searching I found the topic in question and see this comotion is caused by my request in that topic.
At the time I thought that title was offensive, otherwise I wouldn't have asked you to change the title. But what has been said in the topic you find offensive has not offended me, and nobody has stepped up to say he/she was offended, therefore nobody has requested anything to be changed.
I believe that if you find something offensive, you should speak your mind about it, which you haven't done in that topic, where you should've complained about inappropriate content (IMO).
As for your email: I never received any emails on the address I have on file here, so I couldn't have replied to it. |
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