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Astralis
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USA
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 Posted - 23 September 2004 : 01:03:33
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| Why does having a SQL server add so much cost to hosting fees? Why is the space so limited? What is the reason for this? |
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laser
Advanced Member
Australia
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Posted - 23 September 2004 : 01:47:39
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Reason #1 Microsoft licencing costs
Reason #2, see #1  |
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sr_erick
Senior Member
USA
1318 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 01:59:33
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| For a single CPU licence the cost is (on average) $4000. This is for the standard edition. |
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Tiggerz
Starting Member
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Posted - 23 September 2004 : 04:14:41
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That pricing doesnt seem right. Over here we pay that for the mega do everything version.
At the end of the day software is an asset that is depreciated over a period - here its 3 years at a rate of 60% per year (or around that). So it may be a large initial outlay, but you get it back.
There are a few alternatives to using the full version of sql server. You can use access 2000 with the client/server addon. That will allow you to develop pretty powerfull database solutions (along with stored procedures) and gives you a migration path to sql server. |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 04:30:04
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Originally posted by laser
Reason #1 Microsoft licencing costs
Reason #2, see #1
Reason #3 Maintenance, running and looking after a SQL server is a skilled job |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 04:44:07
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oh yeah I forgot
Reason #4 A decent SQL server requires powerful hardware and therfore the cost of the actual server is very high, you can build a good webserver for a few hundred pounds, but a decent SQL server will set you back a few thousand. |
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pdrg
Support Moderator
United Kingdom
2897 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 05:26:21
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SQL Server is pitched at a different audience to Access/MSDE - it is enterprise-grade, self-optimising and frankly robust as all heck. Why is Oracle so expensive? Same reasons (except some would argue higher maintenance costs). Why is MySQL so cheap? Because it doesn't do all the enterprise-grade de-facto top-end things (SP's, triggers, expensive optimisation algorithms, plus LOADS more).
You get what you pay for, and imho SQL Server is actually *cheap*. Standard is appx £1000 per proc license (last time I had to get a license, that is), and it is good enough to run your whole business off.
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-gary
Development Team Member
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Posted - 23 September 2004 : 11:07:44
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MSSQL is cheap by comparison to say Oracle or DB2. I remember the saying about Oracle licensing. They turn you upside down and shake all the money out of your pockets, then take another $100,000 for "support".
Not to bash MySQL here, but if you built your entire company around their product because it was cheap/free and one day two years down the road, a DB hiccup deletes all of your data and keeps you offline for a week. Call up (if you can) the MySQL company and ask what they're going to do about it to help you. Good luck.
If that ever happened with MSSQL (doubtful since this is an enterprise product with millions of dollars in development behind it) and you have a contract with them, they'll be all over it.
You pay for your level of comfort as well as features and in the MySQL world, Windows support is an afterthought. |
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sr_erick
Senior Member
USA
1318 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 12:26:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Tiggerz
That pricing doesnt seem right. Over here we pay that for the mega do everything version.
At the end of the day software is an asset that is depreciated over a period - here its 3 years at a rate of 60% per year (or around that). So it may be a large initial outlay, but you get it back.
There are a few alternatives to using the full version of sql server. You can use access 2000 with the client/server addon. That will allow you to develop pretty powerfull database solutions (along with stored procedures) and gives you a migration path to sql server.
Where is "over here"? There's no way you can get Enterprise Edition that cheap for business use. |
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HuwR
Forum Admin
United Kingdom
20600 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 12:34:51
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or over here
(excluding VAT and shipping)
Developer (Workstation) Version: 2000 (CD) £45.00
Standard with 5 CALs Version: 2000 (CD) £1,099.00
Standard with 10 CALs Version: 2000 (CD) £1,674.00
Standard (1 processor) with Unlimited CALs Version: 2000 (CD) £3,571.00
Enterprise with 25 CALs Version: 2000 (CD) £8,208.00
Enterprise (1 processor) with Unlimited CALs Version: 2000 (CD) £14,334.00
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laser
Advanced Member
Australia
3859 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 16:36:06
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Hey I used to work for Oracle ... the software is cheap !
... when you ompare it to Consulting rates |
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
New Zealand
7528 Posts |
Posted - 23 September 2004 : 19:43:09
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That pricing doesnt seem right. Over here we pay that for the mega do everything version.
That pricing looks about right actually. The "mega-do" version aka Enterprise Edition costs ~$20K US (sans any licensing or volume discounts you may get), Standard Edition runs ~$5K.
Last time I got a quote in NZ for Enterprise Edition CPU License it was about $32K NZ. |
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pdrg
Support Moderator
United Kingdom
2897 Posts |
Posted - 24 September 2004 : 05:33:08
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quote:
Originally posted by laser
Hey I used to work for Oracle ... the software is cheap !
... when you ompare it to Consulting rates
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Podge
Support Moderator
Ireland
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Gremlin
General Help Moderator
New Zealand
7528 Posts |
Posted - 24 September 2004 : 07:05:27
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| I've seen a few good buys on ebay sometimes too .. thing is you can never be 100% what your gettings the genuine article though too so do be careful if not buying from "official" sources. |
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pdrg
Support Moderator
United Kingdom
2897 Posts |
Posted - 24 September 2004 : 11:35:40
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Just to clarify what Gremlin says here, Microsoft do NOT offer 'OEM' versions of Visual Studio Enterprise Architect Edition (or any other edition), SQL Server, w2k3, etc. Those sites that say it's OEM are just CD-burners with sticky-label machines. Official policy is to direct you to http://www.microsoft.com/piracy/howtotell, but the obvious tell is price - £50 for SQL Server and you know you've got a suoopprtless fake
btw - just fyi if you buy an off-the-shelf Microsoft product, you get 2 free support calls included (not OEM, obviously, and MSDN and partners have separate agreements). So if your old mum is having a hard time using copy&paste in Excel, get her off your back ;-P |
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