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redbrad0
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USA
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Posted - 11 July 2004 :  22:53:24  Show Profile  Visit redbrad0's Homepage  Send redbrad0 an AOL message
I wrote some small script for a customer and have resold it a few times so I would like to put it on my site so people can download and install it for free. Before I do I need some testing done on it.

If anyone needs a script like this I will be happy to work close with you on your install and setup to see if there is anything I need to do to make it run a little smoother and also any additional things it should have. If you would like the script the drop a line.

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redbrad0
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Posted - 11 July 2004 :  23:23:39  Show Profile  Visit redbrad0's Homepage  Send redbrad0 an AOL message
Oh by the way you can see the software at http://www.eznetideas.com/services/software/ezapproval/ and the admin pages are at http://www.eznetideas.com/services/software/ezapproval/admin.asp

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Nathan
Help Moderator

USA
7664 Posts

Posted - 12 July 2004 :  04:02:00  Show Profile  Visit Nathan's Homepage
If you type in an incorrect password it throws it right back up on the screen at you. Thats not cool if I enter my password one letter off, or have capslock on, or accidentally use a password from something else then someone could read my password.

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Gremlin
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New Zealand
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Posted - 12 July 2004 :  07:07:58  Show Profile  Visit Gremlin's Homepage
I guess its just me, but giving away something that someone paid for you to develop for them just doesn't seem right to me, not without their permission anyway .. you look like your using Snitz's icons in places there too and I don't see any credit given to Snitz at all.

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redbrad0
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USA
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Posted - 12 July 2004 :  08:38:00  Show Profile  Visit redbrad0's Homepage  Send redbrad0 an AOL message
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan

If you type in an incorrect password it throws it right back up on the screen at you. Thats not cool if I enter my password one letter off, or have capslock on, or accidentally use a password from something else then someone could read my password.



Thanks I will fix this

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redbrad0
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USA
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Posted - 12 July 2004 :  08:41:45  Show Profile  Visit redbrad0's Homepage  Send redbrad0 an AOL message
quote:
Originally posted by Gremlin

I guess its just me, but giving away something that someone paid for you to develop for them just doesn't seem right to me, not without their permission anyway .. you look like your using Snitz's icons in places there too and I don't see any credit given to Snitz at all.



So are you saying you have never writen a program for a customer and then resold the exact same program to another customer? You would re-write the entire thing? Unless the customer wants complete ownership of the code, I own the code so I can do with it what I would like to.

As for the Snitz Icons it is in the ASP file. If the admin's have a problem with this then I can remove them with other icons but since I have it listed in the ASP file I believe everything should be fine.

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Gremlin
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New Zealand
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Posted - 12 July 2004 :  09:16:45  Show Profile  Visit Gremlin's Homepage
quote:
So are you saying you have never writen a program for a customer and then resold the exact same program to another customer?
No I have not actually, It just doesn't sit right with me, I'm not saying what your doing is unethical or unprofessional, It's just that I simply treat writing code for individuals the same as if I was writing code for say Microsoft, the code belongs to the person that paid for it to be developed, not me.

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wii
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Denmark
2632 Posts

Posted - 12 July 2004 :  10:08:28  Show Profile
But that isnīt the case, is it? You write in post 1 of this topic, that you will give away a script someone else actually paid for!?

It must be us misunderstanding this, because that doesnīt sound right, sorry to say.

quote:
Originally posted by redbrad0
So are you saying you have never writen a program for a customer and then resold the exact same program to another customer?


Edited by - wii on 12 July 2004 10:09:10
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redbrad0
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USA
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Posted - 12 July 2004 :  10:09:10  Show Profile  Visit redbrad0's Homepage  Send redbrad0 an AOL message
Well I agree with you, but in my opinion it all has to do with who the customer is that you first wrote it for.

Brad
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sr_erick
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USA
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Posted - 12 July 2004 :  10:11:34  Show Profile  Visit sr_erick's Homepage  Send sr_erick a Yahoo! Message
Same method is applied to everything we develop where I work as Brad uses. We develop it, we own it, customer pays us to develop it though. That's how everything is unless otherwise specified. We can sell it to anyone else we want because we own the code.




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wii
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Denmark
2632 Posts

Posted - 12 July 2004 :  10:13:59  Show Profile
I agree with the selling part again and again, thatīs fine. What I would not be happy about as a customer is if I paid 100 dollars for a script, and find the next day that itīs free, the same script from the same developer.
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Shaggy
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Ireland
6780 Posts

Posted - 12 July 2004 :  10:22:12  Show Profile
To follow up on Nathan's point, you also need to cahnge the input field for the password to a password type rather than a text one. Apart from that, what does this script do; I've never heard of graphic approval software before? Do you have a demo password so we can have a look at it?

<edit> Found the password in the admin options but I get the following error when logging in:
Microsoft JET Database Engine error '80004005' 
Operation must use an updateable query. 
/services/software/ezapproval/default.asp, line 673

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Edited by - Shaggy on 12 July 2004 10:24:05
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MasterOfTheCats
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103 Posts

Posted - 12 July 2004 :  13:12:40  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by sr_erick

Same method is applied to everything we develop where I work as Brad uses. We develop it, we own it, customer pays us to develop it though. That's how everything is unless otherwise specified. We can sell it to anyone else we want because we own the code.



I'm not a lawyer but...

It surely depends on the aggrement you have with the customers who payed you. You may get a small fee and OWN the code and can do whatever you like including releasing it free, or you may aggree to keep it 1 year before any other release. If it gives full ownership to the customer, you cannot resell/redistribute it.

The coder (or his/her company) will own the code unless the agreement with the customer(s) says otherwise.

To prevent further dispute on this, you may like to GPL license it...
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redbrad0
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USA
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Posted - 12 July 2004 :  16:06:16  Show Profile  Visit redbrad0's Homepage  Send redbrad0 an AOL message
quote:
Originally posted by Shaggy

Microsoft JET Database Engine error '80004005' 
Operation must use an updateable query. 
/services/software/ezapproval/default.asp, line 673




Fixed I forgot to add the IUSR account to the DB dir after I moved it to the current location.

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Nathan
Help Moderator

USA
7664 Posts

Posted - 12 July 2004 :  20:05:27  Show Profile  Visit Nathan's Homepage
As to the issue of reselling the script.

Ethically - I think it depends on the agreement that was made with the customer.
Morally - I agree with Gremlin.

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MasterOfTheCats
Junior Member

103 Posts

Posted - 12 July 2004 :  23:25:27  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Nathan

As to the issue of reselling the script.

Ethically - I think it depends on the agreement that was made with the customer.
Morally - I agree with Gremlin.



It is not good to continue this here (perhaps a new topic will be better), but I want to say this: The code itself is an intellectual property, similar to a painting. You may pay me to make a drawing of your house (and give the painting to you - so you own it), but as a painter I can re-paint the same house and sell it (unless we have an aggreement not to do so).

Working in a company is a different thing, not to be mixed with outsourcers/advisors... Also the result depends in which country you live...

Some interesting links about this topic (to end the discussion here):

http://www.dunn.com/papers/paper_13.shtml
http://www.builderau.com.au/manage/business/0,39024656,20274296,00.htm
http://www.webproworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=13978

[in this second link, there are two more good links to read]

http://www.sitepoint.com/article/504?ct=1
http://www.alaskalaw.com/whoowns.htm
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