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D3mon
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United Kingdom
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 Posted - 29 July 2003 : 09:39:43
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He's entitled to his opinions.
Although they do similar jobs, I don't think you can compare ASP and PHP directly anyway and he doesn't say why he thinks you have to pay for ASP... |
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davemaxwell
Access 2000 Support Moderator
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 10:07:11
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| That article is also three years old, and some of the comparisons that were made on there were invalid (in my NSHO) even then. I could refute just about each and every one of those claims if I chose too, but I would guess it's been done a hundred times over by now. |
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sacred
Junior Member
USA
153 Posts |
Posted - 29 July 2003 : 10:27:19
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Well some of those things I see aren't really right.
But from personal expereince alone from surfing sites with asp versus php and cold fusion. I have found that asp is way faster. I hate, hate loading up sites using php or cfm it loads so slow. And the slowness is not on my part as I have a dsl line into my house.
I think it is all a matter of what you are comfortable with.
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dpmcalister
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 10:29:33
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I'm no where near as experienced as the rest of you when it comes to ASP, but I tried my hand at both before going for ASP. So, why did I go with ASP? You're probably not that interested  but it was because I found it easier to learn. OK, so like I've said, I've probably only learnt the basics and still have a long way to go, but it gets my recommendation every time. |
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seahorse
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 10:54:38
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| I'd agree. I think the learning curve for ASP is easier. I'm flogging my brains out with "real" prograning in C# and VB.NET right now. |
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spyordie007
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 14:49:48
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On the contrary to many opinions here I've found PHP much easier to learn and find that it tends to be faster than ASP (when on similar hardware and configured correctly). We use Snitz for our forums mostly because when we started using it Snitz was the best game in town, it's a little differant now and you can find plenty of good competitors such as PHPbb, UBB or dont forget Fusetalk (CFM) there are plenty more out there as well that do every bit as good a job as Snitz (but they dont have nearly as good a community or support ).
FYI Coldfusion also beats ASP hands down for speed and usability, however it unfortunetly is not "free".
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Classicmotorcycling
Development Team Leader
Australia
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 16:45:53
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Sorry Spy,
I work for a major bank and we use both ASP on some servers and coldfusion  (46 ASP servers & 8 ColdFusion servers). I am affraid that ASP wins hands down.quote:
Originally posted by spyordie007
FYI Coldfusion also beats ASP hands down for speed and usability, however it unfortunetly is not "free".
Coldfusion is just that when it comes to working, it is cold and has fused to something, cause it don't want to work all the time.
Most of our internal users are now looking to put their apps on to ASP or ASP.NET as it is easy for them to program, and the speed difference is there. There is also the issue with the memory leaks that Spectra have with their product and it requires the Windows 2000 server to be restarted every week.
I have a phpBB on the same server as my Snitz forums, and the ASP is so much quicker. Now these are my personal observations and are just saying what I have seen. 
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pweighill
Junior Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 17:31:54
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quote:
Originally posted by spyordie007
FYI Coldfusion also beats ASP hands down for speed and usability, however it unfortunetly is not "free".
Neither is ASP  . |
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davemaxwell
Access 2000 Support Moderator
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 29 July 2003 : 18:21:50
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quote:
Originally posted by pweighill
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Originally posted by spyordie007
FYI Coldfusion also beats ASP hands down for speed and usability, however it unfortunetly is not "free".
Neither is ASP .
I hope you're joking with that.....if you've got WinNT/2000/2003 hosting, you've got asp, at no extra charge. |
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spyordie007
Junior Member
USA
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 18:49:55
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| I think what he meant is that you have to pay for the OS, whereas if you want PHP it is totally opensource (when run ontop of Linux). |
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davemaxwell
Access 2000 Support Moderator
USA
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 19:05:27
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quote:
Originally posted by spyordie007
I think what he meant is that you have to pay for the OS, whereas if you want PHP it is totally opensource (when run ontop of Linux).
If you host your own website. If you use a webhost, you have to pay for it.
Sorry, but the asp = pay argument just doesn't wash for me. |
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sr_erick
Senior Member
USA
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Posted - 29 July 2003 : 19:51:12
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| I agree with spy, php is easier to learn than asp is. There are functions you can use for just about anything. In a way, php and asp are very much alike. They both follow the same principles...there are jsut different ways you write it. Each has it's own advantage in other areas too. If I were giving out recomendations on what to learn first though, I would first say php, then move on to asp. As for the speed issues, I haven't dealt with large enough projects to really test speed things. |
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Classicmotorcycling
Development Team Leader
Australia
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Posted - 30 July 2003 : 18:00:58
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PHP is also free when run on top of NT/2000 (and 2003 if it runs on it)quote:
Originally posted by spyordie007
I think what he meant is that you have to pay for the OS, whereas if you want PHP it is totally opensource (when run ontop of Linux).
Some software companies charge for Linux, or you are paying for the download, so as DaveMaxwell said, Sorry, but the asp = pay argument just doesn't wash for me.
It all depends on what you are used to program in, and I prefer ASP as it was easy for me to learn. I will have a go as PHP soon enough, but from what I have seen, it don't work for me.
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middleweb
Junior Member
USA
230 Posts |
Posted - 30 July 2003 : 18:47:19
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| I'm about to dive into learning ASP just because I've already settled on using it for my site because of Snitz. Any good tutorials? |
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davemaxwell
Access 2000 Support Moderator
USA
3020 Posts |
Posted - 30 July 2003 : 19:21:07
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| www.w3schools.com is excellent. There is a good asp forum over at sitepoint forums (www.sitepointforums.com), and there is a thread there specifically related to asp resources. |
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