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Originally posted by bozden

From Microsoft Global Development and Computing Portal
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/getwr/nwr/nwrpartV.mspx

• Use images that are universally recognized. For example, use an envelope to represent mail, but don't use a mailbox because it's not a universal symbol.


• Don't Use culturally sensitive images. For example, avoid using images of religious symbols, or animals.


• Avoid jargon, slang, humor, extravagant language, or ethnic stereotypes.


• If you portray men and women, ensure that their gender roles are suitable, and that gestures and images of the human body are appropriate in the target culture.


• Use color appropriately. For example, avoid using color combinations associated with national flags or political movements.


• If you're not sure whether an icon or bitmap is appropriate, consult someone in the locale for which you're designing the application.

More detailed info here: http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/getwr/steps/wrg_uiloc.mspx#ImagesIcons

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Avoid Political Symbols

When it comes to governments and politics, it is very important to realize that your product's distribution in a local market is often dependent upon the local government's approval. Thus when localizing for a specific market, you must take into account the local government's expectations for content. As much as possible, it's important to avoid including content that could offend the local government-either by challenging its authority or by criticizing it through support of a rival government or faction.

Software has been banned in some countries and regions simply because a map showed that a disputed piece of land belonged to another country. Maps are very graphic and obvious statements about a government's sovereignty, so a user associated with the disputed piece of land would know very quickly if the maps are accurate or not. In addition to maps, flags can be a very sensitive piece of content. For example, a flag in a UI that represented an unrecognized country was very upsetting to a nearby government, causing that government to ban a product on the basis of the unrecognized national flag. Both of the incidents just mentioned emphasize one of the most misused group of graphics: political symbols, maps, and flags. Most unknowing developers use flags as a graphical way to display a particular language, country, or region, but that is not what a flag represents. Flags are nationalistic; they represent ideals, boundaries, and political beliefs, but they do not represent a language. For instance, which flag do you use to represent the English language-the American flag, the British flag, the Canadian flag, or the Australian flag? All of these countries speak English. In the process of selecting the most appropriate flag, you will inevitably offend someone because you left them out. The best practice with all flags, national symbols, maps, and so forth is to avoid them as much as possible.

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In case you didn't read these before...

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Originally posted by bozden

From Microsoft Global Development and Computing Portal
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/getwr/nwr/nwrpartV.mspx

• Use images that are universally recognized. For example, use an envelope to represent mail, but don't use a mailbox because it's not a universal symbol.


• Don't Use culturally sensitive images. For example, avoid using images of religious symbols, or animals.


• Avoid jargon, slang, humor, extravagant language, or ethnic stereotypes.


• If you portray men and women, ensure that their gender roles are suitable, and that gestures and images of the human body are appropriate in the target culture.


• Use color appropriately. For example, avoid using color combinations associated with national flags or political movements.


• If you're not sure whether an icon or bitmap is appropriate, consult someone in the locale for which you're designing the application.

More detailed info here: http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/getwr/steps/wrg_uiloc.mspx#ImagesIcons

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Avoid Political Symbols

When it comes to governments and politics, it is very important to realize that your product's distribution in a local market is often dependent upon the local government's approval. Thus when localizing for a specific market, you must take into account the local government's expectations for content. As much as possible, it's important to avoid including content that could offend the local government-either by challenging its authority or by criticizing it through support of a rival government or faction.

Software has been banned in some countries and regions simply because a map showed that a disputed piece of land belonged to another country. Maps are very graphic and obvious statements about a government's sovereignty, so a user associated with the disputed piece of land would know very quickly if the maps are accurate or not. In addition to maps, flags can be a very sensitive piece of content. For example, a flag in a UI that represented an unrecognized country was very upsetting to a nearby government, causing that government to ban a product on the basis of the unrecognized national flag. Both of the incidents just mentioned emphasize one of the most misused group of graphics: political symbols, maps, and flags. Most unknowing developers use flags as a graphical way to display a particular language, country, or region, but that is not what a flag represents. Flags are nationalistic; they represent ideals, boundaries, and political beliefs, but they do not represent a language. For instance, which flag do you use to represent the English language-the American flag, the British flag, the Canadian flag, or the Australian flag? All of these countries speak English. In the process of selecting the most appropriate flag, you will inevitably offend someone because you left them out. The best practice with all flags, national symbols, maps, and so forth is to avoid them as much as possible.

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Originally posted by Heynow777

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Originally posted by bozden


On the other hand, knowing that US Gov and other western countries also played their roles in the massacre does not make me better. Please take your time and read these (non-readers are also invited).

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Bozden, I thought we were discussing the US lead invasion of Iraq in 2003. What are these links for? Who wrote them? Are they true? Who was running this country at that time? are they running it now?Nathan is already in the cowboys & Indians era. I have no idea what all this has to do with the current situation.

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Originally posted by RichardKinser

and your purpose for posting this is?

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Originally posted by bozden


Why don't you read them and answer your questions by yourself? I also provided the links, the answers are all inside. You keep on saying "..killed his own people.." (which is correct) and I added some more information from the near history. History is a social science, and if done correctly it will lead to better understanding of today.

Most of the links I provided are academicly well prepared and provides additional reference information. If you want you can easily reach the related documents, even from the web.

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Originally posted by Heynow777

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Originally posted by bozden


On the other hand, knowing that US Gov and other western countries also played their roles in the massacre does not make me better. Please take your time and read these (non-readers are also invited).

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Bozden, I thought we were discussing the US lead invasion of Iraq in 2003. What are these links for? Who wrote them? Are they true? Who was running this country at that time? are they running it now?Nathan is already in the cowboys & Indians era. I have no idea what all this has to do with the current situation.

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Originally posted by Heynow777

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Originally posted by bozden


Why don't you read them and answer your questions by yourself? I also provided the links, the answers are all inside. You keep on saying "..killed his own people.." (which is correct) and I added some more information from the near history. History is a social science, and if done correctly it will lead to better understanding of today.

Most of the links I provided are academicly well prepared and provides additional reference information. If you want you can easily reach the related documents, even from the web.

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Because I am not going to argue the history of the United States Government...

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Originally posted by Doug G


Well, actually the title of this thread is "International War Opinion".

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Heynow, IMHO history and the interpretation of history has everything to do with the current situation.

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Originally posted by dayve

This is the problem I am seeing most of all. How can we go ahead with the future if we keep looking to the past? Mistakes have been made, should they continue to be made? I think everything up to now concerning atrocities that America has made in the past has zero significance in the men and women defending our country now as well as those supporting them. Regardless of "our past sins" we should push forward and act as humane as we can against an obvious evil person.

As for extremely long posts, I'm lucky I can get through a comic book so please try to make your points as quickly as possible. I still have yet to finish Great Expections!

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Originally posted by dayve

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Originally posted by Pi

Reply to davye
WOW - everyones's kinda gettin low down and dirty here...

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I posted that picture with no comments, I wanted to see everyone's reaction and you have proven my point. You reacted in a way that best suited you.

Huh??

I didn't say anything, yet you interpreted it as me trying to get one up on Nathan.

Where did you make THAT one up?

In all honesty I posted that for 2 reasons.

One of those reasons is for you, I really wanted to see how clouded you are in your opinion of me.

I dont have any opinion about you, sorry!

You have truly demonstrated prejudice by insinuating that my intentions for posting it was "low down and dirty".

No, its just called a response. You are putting a whole layer of motive and interpretation on my reasons that for me, is baffling.
Another Mod said "Ease of on the duelling pictures"!

I have a point of view which you seem to dislike intensely and either want me to "go away" or see the "error of my ways". Neither of those address the issue I raised

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Originally posted by dayve
... but we should NOT be judged for trying to correct things now that we've done in the past...

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Originally posted by dayve
PI, I really have no idea what the heck you are trying to prove so I won't waste my breath. Also, could you learn how to quote someone so its not so difficult to read.

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Originally posted by GauravBhabu

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Originally posted by dayve
... but we should NOT be judged for trying to correct things now that we've done in the past...

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Quiet right davye, and when you say "We" it applies to anyone and everyone. Correct?

Saddam did not comply completely for 12 years? A Mistake. But during the past several months he did show if not a lot but some compliance...may be he was trying to correct but was cautious or slow...

Or you will say "Time is Over" to your 13 year old daughter because she is slow in correcting her mistakes or learning.

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