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 Posted - 27 January 2003 : 13:53:20
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Image's Multilingual V3403 uses a V4b03 language MOD component to have a language selector and a same design language pack - i.e. LangNNNN.asp for each language. Believe all text variables are "developed" and "redefined" by Image to include addtional V3403 texts. Core is basically V3403, with this "localizaiton" (meaning primarily text string translations) for user interface while all Admin section will be in a native English_US, primarily for ISO-8859-1 group languages. This I understand is a V3403 migration version for his V4b02 multilingual moded forum. He has some style sheet or color theme selection feature added, besides some other stuff. He seems to have been also working with ServerHacker's Moded V3403 version to integrate with his.
His new multilingual v3403 is not compatible with what Bozden is doing with V4b04... architectually, in codes, while V4b04 is "internationalized" + "localized" = "globalized" in its architecture thus significantly different from V3403 itself although the core are based on V3403, while Image's are "localized" version of V3403 (something like the base core=V3403 + mods + Forum user interface "localizaiton" with language support).
As I see it, Image's forum (multilingual V3403) will not be directly upgradable to V4b04, unless all key "international/multilingual" components will be replaced with V4b04's, and as there are some critical internationalization of sub/components level works done in V4b04 to enable in handling various encoding enviornments, like email and date/time etc., for Image's to be "V4b04" compatible, I would say that it would be required "re-designed" or "basically replaced" by V4b04, but there would possibly remain some issues of handling language component themselves...
Also, from a design/compatibility side, most of full fledged MODS that are moded into V3403 currently exist will have to address the same issues as none - except a possible exception of Active Users V4017 - are designed to be V4bx compatible in a real sense... so there are additional issues beyond the base forum codes. (This is a state of things, as it makes sense since V4b0x has been in beta and not released as an official release for general availability yet...)
This may/may not affect too much for a single locale language enviornment or bi-lingual (most cases Default 1033/English_US plus a locale/LCID=xxxxwhatever)...but there is a major and substantive difference in application code design. There is only one Snitz Forum codes that address "software internationalization" related issues in handling various international/locale requirements and language requirements... that happens to be V4bxxx... not a translated/localized Forum.
This is my personal observation, but what I think of a difference between V4b04 and Image's Multilingual V3403 project....
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Tmpj
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Posted - 28 January 2003 : 09:03:21
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| OK, I see, but I lose more and more visitors because my current 4.0b03 forum is a little buggy, and not all the cool 3.4 features. But if I use an english version I don't have ANY visitors.< |
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fatum
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Posted - 28 January 2003 : 11:15:15
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It also depends on which language you will use.
The version Bodzen is developping will even support Arabic languages, French with all their accents and so on.
ps. Bodzen, keep me posted on Alpha04 :)< |
New Dutch testsite coming soon || Dutch Language file
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Tmpj
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Posted - 28 January 2003 : 13:39:00
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Originally posted by fatum
It also depends on which language you will use.
The version Bodzen is developping will even support Arabic languages, French with all their accents and so on.
ps. Bodzen, keep me posted on Alpha04 :)
Pretty Cool! 
I hope it will be released soon!    < |
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Posted - 28 January 2003 : 15:01:34
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Originally posted by Tmpj
OK, I see, but I lose more and more visitors because my current 4.0b03 forum is a little buggy, and not all the cool 3.4 features. But if I use an english version I don't have ANY visitors.
Again, some personal comments:
If your requirements do not really involve too much of "internationalization" and your mods are less language content dependent, and what you need is user interface and contents in your locale language, then, what Image is doing (and also I believe there is a group doing "internationalization" of Crash's V3403 Moded as well)... can solve your immediate need, although I see from Multilingual V3.4.03 forum that you may need to "contribute" to develop/translate a language file.... Since you are primarily talking of a single locale language, depending on MODs and extent of translaiton required, you can also do it easily (like New Events Calendar come with text string/variables designed "ready" for "internationalization/translation", so does Guestbook, etc. to some degree)...
This will allow you to have "current V3403 functionalities/features" with "language interface".... Most of FAQ are very much the same as V4b03, whatever existed with V4b03 are there with Images but with new additions from V3403 which requires translation (which he/his contributors are doing)...but if your existing enviornment is V4b03, then, you have to also look at how you will migrate your DB to V3.4.03 ...including MODS....
This is possible but may not be straight forward....
If you cannot wait until a full release of V4 official release version (which I don't know when per Bozden's comments above), and if your immediate concern/need is to retain your forum members with V3403 functionalities/features embeded into your forum, your choice may be to use Image's multilingual V3403...
BTW, V4b04 will, if I understand it correctly, support pretty much any languages (charsets/fonts) and different encoding formats (ways or how texts/charsets are formatted/repsented/rendered), as long as there are charsets/fonts available... so can accommodate any exotic languages or locale dialects (written langugaes/scripts), including Arabic, Hebrew, Georgian, Asian multibyte languages like Japanese, Chinese (both Traditional and Simplified), Korean, etc. in addition to major European languages... Actually this is also true for V4b03, and these languages are already supported in V4b03, as the way it was designed to handle "language" components, to an extent....
If you can wait , probably it is a good thing to wait for V4b04 or V4.0....
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Tmpj
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Posted - 29 January 2003 : 00:54:32
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Thanks for the nice description! 
I does not use Snitz for forum only, my whole website is built on it, to make it easy to administrate, and manage.< |
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Posted - 29 January 2003 : 21:15:37
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Tmpj,
I understand this is about your current V4b03 Danish forum, not Crash's Moded V3403... I would suspect that you would have to make a migration change either way, going from V3.3.03 core based V4b03 to V3.4.03 - moded or not, and whatever approaches taken for "internationaliation/multilingual V3403"... It is obvious that although both seem to be doing re-packing of exisitng language files (differently for sure), you have to use "new" language files to have your "V3403 base" Danish forum...(if not doing hardcoded translation)... Obviously there are lots of different factors involved for your immediate and perhaps for future updagrading/maintenance of a new (revised) forum...since these are very different in their basic approach and design....
Seems it's up to you ... your call. These are available alternatives that you can consider... and probably you should look at them as such and evaluate which approach will meet your "immediate" and "future" needs in deploying a revised forum and maintaining and expanding it.....
Hope you have a good assessment and go for it (before you loose all your members???].
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Tmpj
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Posted - 30 January 2003 : 05:49:20
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| I don't think I'll loose my members, but I hope that either v4b04 cames out soon, and are commonly stable, or a nice soul hardcore translate 3.4.03 < |
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Posted - 30 January 2003 : 14:24:59
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Well, I can't be of any further help or anything there.
Am assuming V4b04 will be pretty stable given all "extensive" QA's being done and will be done...as a development process seems to be very well managed and thorough....
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Tmpj
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Posted - 30 January 2003 : 14:46:09
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Well, I can't be of any further help or anything there.
Am assuming V4b04 will be pretty stable given all "extensive" QA's being done and will be done...as a development process seems to be very well managed and thorough....
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I hope so!
Hey Bozdon, please make v4b04 stable and useable even after v40 is out < |
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Posted - 30 January 2003 : 16:30:06
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Normally Beta versions are not supported. I personally do support them but only the last version... Whenever v4b04 is out any support to v4b03 will cease.
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