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David K
Junior Member

494 Posts

Posted - 24 November 2002 :  10:32:13  Show Profile  Send David K an AOL message  Send David K an ICQ Message  Send David K a Yahoo! Message
UBB is $230+
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Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin

USA
3545 Posts

Posted - 24 November 2002 :  11:08:25  Show Profile  Visit Reinsnitz's Homepage  Send Reinsnitz an AOL message  Send Reinsnitz an ICQ Message  Send Reinsnitz a Yahoo! Message
Just let them know there are 8700 development hours in this product. That will shy them away from trying to mimic to much :)

:P

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Rasco
Advanced Member

Germany
3192 Posts

Posted - 24 November 2002 :  14:29:29  Show Profile  Send Rasco an ICQ Message
quote:
Originally posted by TestMagic

Well the most expensive BB's I've seen are:
I think they cost something on the order of US $2,000 each. Or more, I wouldn't really know.



WebBoard. Price range 995$ - 4995$

German Snitz Forum
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seahorse
Senior Member

USA
1075 Posts

Posted - 24 November 2002 :  21:47:14  Show Profile  Visit seahorse's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by Rasco

quote:
Originally posted by TestMagic

Well the most expensive BB's I've seen are:
I think they cost something on the order of US $2,000 each. Or more, I wouldn't really know.



WebBoard. Price range 995$ - 4995$



Not even close. One of my company's product teams decided to commission an outside developer to "build a better one". They paid in the low 5 digit dollar range and got a truly inferior product. I was shocked when they called me in for my opinion. I nearly passed out when they told me how much they spent. I was furious when they showed me what they got.


Ken
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Worldwide Partner Group
Microsoft
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Doug G
Support Moderator

USA
6493 Posts

Posted - 25 November 2002 :  14:28:10  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by seahorse

quote:
Originally posted by Rasco

quote:
Originally posted by TestMagic

Well the most expensive BB's I've seen are:
I think they cost something on the order of US $2,000 each. Or more, I wouldn't really know.



WebBoard. Price range 995$ - 4995$



Not even close. One of my company's product teams decided to commission an outside developer to "build a better one". They paid in the low 5 digit dollar range and got a truly inferior product. I was shocked when they called me in for my opinion. I nearly passed out when they told me how much they spent. I was furious when they showed me what they got.




Do they want to try again

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Computer history and help at www.dougscode.com
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Carefree
Advanced Member

Philippines
4207 Posts

Posted - 25 November 2002 :  14:49:33  Show Profile
Here's a direct quote from a competitor on the list:

quote:
OpenForum Quick Info
Update 3/19/2001
Version 1.1-Beta
Platform ASP
PageViews 193761
Downloads 10203

OpenForum is an initial framework for page-level integrated forums. It's not intended to be a fully-featured forum application but rather a simple and efficient forum base.
Introduction

The main functional difference between OpenForum and other classical forums is the integration. You can display the forum in any of your existing asp pages with a single call. OpenForum will preserve the existing querystring of the url if there is any.

The functionality is based on Uwe Keim and Chris Maunder's CodeProject Forum. Their implementation uses a server-side C++ ActiveX Dll which might not be feasible in all cases.

So I've tried to develop similar functionality with pure ASP. I have taken some ideas but not used any of their code. See the reading "Credits" for the list of people I'd like to thank for this project.

If you need a site-level forum, with many features, administration, and support, I recommend Snitz Forums. Their site is powered by TableEditoR and StatCounteX ;)


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GauravBhabu
Advanced Member

4288 Posts

Posted - 25 November 2002 :  15:05:32  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by Doug G
Do they want to try again



same question

Do they want to try again
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seahorse
Senior Member

USA
1075 Posts

Posted - 25 November 2002 :  20:44:12  Show Profile  Visit seahorse's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu

quote:
Originally posted by Doug G
Do they want to try again



same question

Do they want to try again




Are you nuts! I run around with a fire extinguisher and hose off anyone, anytime they even breath the phrase "outside agency develops ..."

Sigh... The drug industry is full of these people. God help us.


Ken
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Worldwide Partner Group
Microsoft
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GauravBhabu
Advanced Member

4288 Posts

Posted - 25 November 2002 :  22:44:34  Show Profile
There is a lot of fire around here, even the topics go on fire...

You might need a lot more than fire extinguishers and hoses if your company gets hold of a snitzed developer.

Infact, your company will award you for bringing in a snitzine.
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Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin

USA
3545 Posts

Posted - 26 November 2002 :  07:10:45  Show Profile  Visit Reinsnitz's Homepage  Send Reinsnitz an AOL message  Send Reinsnitz an ICQ Message  Send Reinsnitz a Yahoo! Message
ROLF :)

Reinsnitz (Mike)
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seahorse
Senior Member

USA
1075 Posts

Posted - 26 November 2002 :  20:34:01  Show Profile  Visit seahorse's Homepage
quote:
Originally posted by GauravBhabu

There is a lot of fire around here, even the topics go on fire...

You might need a lot more than fire extinguishers and hoses if your company gets hold of a snitzed developer.

Infact, your company will award you for bringing in a snitzine.



A snitzed developer I have no problem with. It's the people who think they "can do it better" that I have a problem with. I asked an outside developer if they could modify snitz code to our requirements before. You should have seen the look on his face. "Open source? You mean I can't try and rip you off by producing proprietary junk at extremely high cost? I don't know. Open source code is extremely shaky" Yeah, right.

For our intranet forum, we do the snitz changes in-house now. However, for internet sites, other managers still have problems getting over the fact that its open source.


Ken
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Worldwide Partner Group
Microsoft
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seahorse
Senior Member

USA
1075 Posts

Posted - 26 November 2002 :  20:40:25  Show Profile  Visit seahorse's Homepage
You know. One thing you could do is package an "official commercial" version for $200.00 US. Charge $20.00 per call for email tech support and farm out the tech calls to selected volunteers here at the forum for $15.00 a pop. Use the rest to pay for running the forum. ha ha!

If it costs money, some of the manangers will definitely go for it.

Ken
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Worldwide Partner Group
Microsoft
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GauravBhabu
Advanced Member

4288 Posts

Posted - 26 November 2002 :  21:04:54  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by seahorse

...
If it costs money, some of the manangers will definitely go for it.


You are right. They have the feeling of buying.
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Reinsnitz
Snitz Forums Admin

USA
3545 Posts

Posted - 26 November 2002 :  22:50:44  Show Profile  Visit Reinsnitz's Homepage  Send Reinsnitz an AOL message  Send Reinsnitz an ICQ Message  Send Reinsnitz a Yahoo! Message
also, what it comes down to in most cases where businesses are avoiding open source, is that of accountability.

Someone going with Snitz can not hold us accountable for any blunders with the software. They are 100% responsible for this software. We do not accept any blame (it's the nature of opensource). So if they purchase a software package, they can hold the developer/provider 100% responsible for any bugs or problems in the software.

It's a paradigm shift to try opensource and save with it, it's also a risk. Not everyone is ready to give it a chance yet :)

Reinsnitz (Mike)
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Carefree
Advanced Member

Philippines
4207 Posts

Posted - 26 November 2002 :  22:55:40  Show Profile
I think a lot of the IT folx out there want the companies to buy the most expensive proprietary software they can find ... just so they can copy it for their own use LOL
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